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Further draft Social Committee text
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2007-06-27 17:27:09
See below.  This is not yet ready for promulgation by Sam
but I think
it more or less reflects what was discussed in Edinburgh. 
Sadly it
has come out _far too long_.  If anyone can produce a much
shorter way
of saying these same things I'll be very pleased.  Failing
that I
might have a go with a scythe myself.

Ian.


 SUGGESTED NOTICE BY THE PROJECT LEADER
 ESTABLISHING A SOCIAL COMMITTEE

 RUBRIC

 A. I consider it necessary that it would be beneficial to
formally
    establish a Social Committee for resolving nontechnical
disputes.

 B. I give notice that I intend to establish such a Social
Committee
    as Delegates of the Project Leader, using the Leader's
powers in
    Constitution 5.1(1).

 C. Please volunteer to work on this new committee - see
sections
    15-17 below.  Send your application to leaderd.o; you
have two
    weeks to make up your mind and apply, and a simple
message saying
    that you're volunteering will do.

 CHARTER OF THE SOCIAL COMMITTEE

 1. The Social Committee's purpose is to promote
constructive and
    agreeable relations between Debian Developers and others
involved
    with Debian.

 2. To this end the Social Committee may:

    (1) Make a decision when asked to do so.

      Any person or body may delegate a decision of their
own, or a
      class of decisions, to the Social Committee, or seek
advice from
      it.

    (2) Offer advice.

      The Social Committee may make formal announcements
about its
      views on any matter.  This includes but is not limited
to both
      statements about particular cases and documents giving
general
      guidance.  (Individual members may of course make
informal
      statements about their views and about the likely
views of the
      committee.)

    (3) Request Cease and Desist

      Where the SC thinks it necessary to avoid serious
hindrance to
      constructive and agreeable relations, the SC may
request that a
      person to refrain from certain acts and
communications.  The
      nature of the acts to be avoided should be clearly
stated in the
      SC's request.

      For example, the SC might ask a Developer not to NMU
a
      particular package, not to contact a particular other
Developer,
      or not to post to a particular mailing list or not to
post
      discussing particular topics.

      Note that this power extends to any context where a
person is
      using facilities intended primarily for Debian, and
also to any
      context where a person would generally be taken by
outsiders as
      representing Debian.

    (4) Make Access Control Decisions

      Provided at least two thirds of the SC positively
agree,
      instruct Debian's mailing list administrators, IRC
operators,
      and other persons in similar positions to make or
remove access
      control arrangements which allow or prevent a person
or persons
      from sending messages via communications facilities.

      For example, the committee may ban (temporarily or
permanently)
      a person or people from posting to certain mailing
lists or in
      certain threads.

      Where the access-controlled resource is not one
maintained for
      and by the project as a whole, but is instead a
private resource
      (including private resources hosted on project
systems), the
      Social Committee may only make requests rather than
giving
      instructions.

      For the avoidance of doubt no-one (the Social
Committee not
      excepted) is permitted to prevent a Developer from
posting to
      the formal decisionmaking mailing list mentioned in
Constitution
      4.2(5).

    (5) Recommend suspension or expulsion from the Project

      Provided at least two thirds of the SC positively
agree, the SC
      may make recommendations to the relevant Project
Leader's
      Delegates that they exercise their powers to expel a
Developer
      either temporarily or permanently.

 3. To the same ends, the individual members of the Social
Committee
    should when they consider it appropriate:

    (1) Send informal comments about behaviour

      An SC member may send a private message to a person or
group,
      pursuant to the SC's goals, giving that SC member's
opinion
      about anyone's behaviour, and giving such informal
advice as the
      member sees fit.

      Any private communication by a Social Committee
member, on a
      matter which a recipient reasonably believes is made
in the
      member's SC capacity (whether that capacity is
explicitly stated
      or not) may be published by that recipient, without
asking
      permission from SC member who sent it.

    (2) Send formal warnings

      A Committee member may send a formal warning to a
person or
      group, giving that member's opinion, and such advice
as the
      member sees fit.

      Such a formal warning from an individual SC member may
be sent
      privately or publicly, but should be copied to the SC
private
      mailing list.

 COMPOSITION

 4. The DPL will aim for the SC to consist of 5 Developers. 
The SC
    may not use its powers according to s2 above unless it
has at
    least 3 members.

 5. Each year, the SC membership will be reconfirmed as
follows:

   (1) The Project Secretary will conduct a series of
separate but
       concurrent votes, one for each member of the SC.  In
each
       ballot, the options will be `Keep' and `Dismiss'.

   (2) SC members for whom the majority of voting Developers
choose
       `Keep' will remain on the Social Committee.

   (3) SC members for whom the majority vote `Dismiss' will
be
       immediately removed from the committee.

   (4) If there are then any vacancies the DPL will invite
volunteers
       to apply, and then make appointments to fill those
vacancies.
       The new appointments will not be voted on until the
next
       approval round; however, the DPL will not normally
appoint
       someone who was previously dismissed by the
Developers.

 PROCEDURE

 6. The Social Committee will have a private mailing list
for its use;
    this will be used for all formal business.  Messages
sent to this
    list will be available to the SC (including to future
committees)
    but will not be published.

 7. When the SC takes a formal action according to s2 above,
the
    notice it gives of this action will include:
     (1) a statement of the decision;
     (2) the reasons for that decision;
     (3) which SC members concurred with the decision; and
     (4) which (if any SC) members disagreed with the
decision or the
       reasons, and those dissenting members views and
reasons.

    This notice shall be sent at least to all of the parties
to a
    dispute and to anyone expected to implement it.  Anyone
who
    receives it may make it public.

 8. SC members will be given at least 1 week to state any
    disagreement and write a dissenting statement as
discussed in
    s7(4) above.

 9. A decision of the SC is made by simple majority unless
stated
    otherwise.

 10. Appeal of any decision made by the SC is via General
Resolution,
     only.  Decisions 

 JURISDICTION

 11. When there is doubt or dispute as to whether a decision
should be
     made by the Technical Committee or the Social
Committee, the
     Project Leader will decide.

 12. If a jurisdictional dispute seems possible, agreement
should be
     sought from the relevant parties as to which committee
should
     deal with the matter.  If such agreement is not
reached, or
     disagreement is evident, the Project Leader should be
consulted.

 13. Someone who engages in a substantive discussion with
one of the
     committees, without disputing that committee's
jurisdiction
     regarding the matter at hand, shall be taken to have
agreed to
     abide by the committee's ruling and should not later
appeal to
     the DPL to shift the controversy to a different forum.

 14. For avoidance of doubt, this section is without
prejudice to the
     Technical Committee's constitutionally mandated ability
to
     request a ruling on constitutional interpretation, if
the TC
     feels that a matter on which it is competent has been
improperly
     assigned to the SC by the DPL.

 INITIAL SETUP

 15. The DPL invites volunteers to come forward for
consideration as
     potential members of the Social Committee.  The
nomination period
     will be 2 weeks.

 16. If sufficient suitable candidates come forward, the DPL
will then
     publish a proposed list of 5 members for the committee.
 Any
     volunteer not put forward by the DPL but who achieves K
sponsors
     within the next 2 weeks, will also be added to the list
of
     candidates.

 17. Simultaneous but separate ballots will be held by the
Project
     Secretary, as follows:
      * Yes/No/FD on this Social Committee proposal
      * Appoint/Reject for each candidate

     If No or FD wins the first ballot, the other votes are
void.  If
     Yes wins the first ballot the Appointed candidates
become the
     Social Committee.  If the resulting Committee has less
than three
     people the DPL will consider what options are suitable
to
     proceed.

 CHANGES

 18. The DPL intends to keep the operation of the Social
Committee
     under review and invites comment.

 19. The DPL retains the power to:
      (1) Abolish the Social Committee;
      (2) Change the size of the SC;
      (3) Interpret or clarify this charter;
      (4) Completely change this charter; and/or
      (5) Remove and appoint members regardless of
elections
     but not to overrule any decision of the SC once made.

 20. However the DPL intends to exercise these powers only
after due
     consultation according to the constitution and so as to
give
     effect to the consensus of the Developers.

 21. The DPL encourages the Social Committee itself, and
its
     individual members, to suggest improvements; the DPL
     will look very favourably on such suggestions.

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Re: Further draft Social Committee text
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Germany
2007-06-27 20:34:04
On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 11:27:09PM +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote:
>  10. Appeal of any decision made by the SC is via
General Resolution,
>      only.  Decisions 
                     ^^^^^^
Is there something missing here?

Gruesse,
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Re: Further draft Social Committee text
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France
2007-06-28 03:31:40
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007, Ian Jackson wrote:
>  3. To the same ends, the individual members of the
Social Committee
>     should when they consider it appropriate:
> 
>     (1) Send informal comments about behaviour
> 
>       An SC member may send a private message to a
person or group,
>       pursuant to the SC's goals, giving that SC
member's opinion
>       about anyone's behaviour, and giving such
informal advice as the
>       member sees fit.
> 
>       Any private communication by a Social Committee
member, on a
>       matter which a recipient reasonably believes is
made in the
>       member's SC capacity (whether that capacity is
explicitly stated
>       or not) may be published by that recipient,
without asking
>       permission from SC member who sent it.

The rest of the soc ctte should be in CC for such informal
comments as
well. Because you want to avoid sending to many informal
comments to the
same person, and if several messages are sent, it's best if
they are
complementary.

Maybe they don't need to be archived and accessible to the
DD however.
Not sure about it.

>  COMPOSITION
> 
>  4. The DPL will aim for the SC to consist of 5
Developers.  The SC
>     may not use its powers according to s2 above unless
it has at
>     least 3 members.

Why give a precise size? I agree that 5 is a reasonable
number (much more
than the size expected by Josip) but I don't see why we
should forbid the
DPL to make this 8 or more if he really wishes so... as long
as the
internal decision mechanism is adapted to that bigger size
(inactive
people must not block the active members provided a minimum
quorum of 3
is achieved).

>  5. Each year, the SC membership will be reconfirmed as
follows:
> 
>    (1) The Project Secretary will conduct a series of
separate but
>        concurrent votes, one for each member of the SC.
 In each
>        ballot, the options will be `Keep' and
`Dismiss'.

I'd rather have a single vote. "Keep" is above
NOTA, "Dismiss" is below
NOTA. The criticism of the method for multiple winner
doesn't seem to
warrant the overhead of habing that many votes.

I also think we more or less agreed on a 2 year period? (I
don't mind
having a yearly election, but I also don't see the point of
it)

>  7. When the SC takes a formal action according to s2
above, the
>     notice it gives of this action will include:
>      (1) a statement of the decision;
>      (2) the reasons for that decision;
>      (3) which SC members concurred with the decision;
and
>      (4) which (if any SC) members disagreed with the
decision or the
>        reasons, and those dissenting members views and
reasons.
> 
>     This notice shall be sent at least to all of the
parties to a
>     dispute and to anyone expected to implement it. 
Anyone who
>     receives it may make it public.

Shouldn't those decisions be archived in a DD-readable
mbox?

>  16. If sufficient suitable candidates come forward,
the DPL will then
>      publish a proposed list of 5 members for the
committee.  Any
>      volunteer not put forward by the DPL but who
achieves K sponsors
>      within the next 2 weeks, will also be added to the
list of
>      candidates.

I don't see why he should propose only 5 members. He can
propose more and
the top-5 will be elected?

>  17. Simultaneous but separate ballots will be held by
the Project
>      Secretary, as follows:
>       * Yes/No/FD on this Social Committee proposal
>       * Appoint/Reject for each candidate

Same concern as above, I'd go for a single vote on the
members.

Cheers,
-- 
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Re: Further draft Social Committee text
user name
2007-06-28 04:37:36
Frank Lichtenheld writes ("Re: Further draft Social
Committee text"):
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 11:27:09PM +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote:
> >  10. Appeal of any decision made by the SC is via
General Resolution,
> >      only.  Decisions 
>                      ^^^^^^
> Is there something missing here?

No, I think that's an abortive attempt at one of the
subsequent
paragraphs.

Ian.


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Re: Further draft Social Committee text
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2007-06-29 01:32:46
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007, Raphael Hertzog wrote:

> The rest of the soc ctte should be in CC for such
informal comments as
> well.

Didn't we agreed to a private list?  A lot of CCs tend to
become broken
at a certain time.

>>  4. The DPL will aim for the SC to consist of 5
Developers.  The SC
>>     may not use its powers according to s2 above
unless it has at
>>     least 3 members.
>
> Why give a precise size?

According to my English knowledge "aim for consist of
5" is not really
a precise size but rather a rule of thumb and according to
this interpretation
I think this makes perfectly sense.

>>  5. Each year, the SC membership will be
reconfirmed as follows:
>>
>>    (1) The Project Secretary will conduct a series
of separate but
>>        concurrent votes, one for each member of the
SC.  In each
>>        ballot, the options will be `Keep' and
`Dismiss'.
>
> I'd rather have a single vote. "Keep" is
above NOTA, "Dismiss" is below
> NOTA. The criticism of the method for multiple winner
doesn't seem to
> warrant the overhead of habing that many votes.

IMHO Ian's suggestion enables that members will be sorted
out effectively.

>>  16. If sufficient suitable candidates come
forward, the DPL will then
>>      publish a proposed list of 5 members for the
committee.  Any
>>      volunteer not put forward by the DPL but who
achieves K sponsors
>>      within the next 2 weeks, will also be added to
the list of
>>      candidates.
>
> I don't see why he should propose only 5 members. He
can propose more and
> the top-5 will be elected?

ACK.

Kind regards

        Andreas.

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Re: Further draft Social Committee text
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France
2007-06-29 01:47:35
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> 
> >The rest of the soc ctte should be in CC for such
informal comments as
> >well.
> 
> Didn't we agreed to a private list?  A lot of CCs tend
to become broken
> at a certain time.

Sure. I never meant personal CC. It was just a way to
express the intent
without making an assumption on how it's really done (looks
like it
failed).

> >> 4. The DPL will aim for the SC to consist of 5
Developers.  The SC
> >>    may not use its powers according to s2
above unless it has at
> >>    least 3 members.
> >
> >Why give a precise size?
> 
> According to my English knowledge "aim for consist
of 5" is not really
> a precise size but rather a rule of thumb and according
to this 
> interpretation
> I think this makes perfectly sense.

Ok.

> >> 5. Each year, the SC membership will be
reconfirmed as follows:
> >>
> >>   (1) The Project Secretary will conduct a
series of separate but
> >>       concurrent votes, one for each member of
the SC.  In each
> >>       ballot, the options will be `Keep' and
`Dismiss'.
> >
> >I'd rather have a single vote. "Keep" is
above NOTA, "Dismiss" is below
> >NOTA. The criticism of the method for multiple
winner doesn't seem to
> >warrant the overhead of habing that many votes.
> 
> IMHO Ian's suggestion enables that members will be
sorted out effectively.

You really don't want to have 10 votes in parallel...
replying 10 times to
10 mails, possibly typing the GPG passphrase several times.

You might tell it's only a "technical problem" in
devotee, but until you
fix devotee to handle several ballots in the same mail, I
won't endorse
this choice. For me concorcet is perfectly able to sort out
those have
been ranked above NOTA from those who have been ranked below
NOTA. I
really don't see the problem.

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Re: Further draft Social Committee text
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2007-06-29 02:18:33
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007, Raphael Hertzog wrote:

> You really don't want to have 10 votes in parallel...
replying 10 times to
> 10 mails, possibly typing the GPG passphrase several
times.

Yes, this is a real drawback of this procedure.  I think my
very personal
way to go with this to vote only against those people I
would think that
should leave their seat in the SC and just do not vote pro
at all.  I'm
aware that this would not work if everybody would behave
equally because
very view votes against a member could remove it from the
SC.  I have no
idea whether we should adapt the rules to the lazyness I
expressed above:
If there are a number of "No" against one member
of the SC that exceedes
a certain quorum this seat has to be replaced.

> You might tell it's only a "technical
problem" in devotee, but until you
> fix devotee to handle several ballots in the same mail,
I won't endorse
> this choice. For me concorcet is perfectly able to sort
out those have
> been ranked above NOTA from those who have been ranked
below NOTA. I
> really don't see the problem.

I personally could also live with that, but as I said I have
the feeling
(note "feeling" is not based on experience or
facts I have) that it is not
as effective to replace a member.

Kind regards

         Andreas.

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