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2006-07-19 21:26:03 |
Key lifetime management needs revision
Submitter name: Alper Yegin
Submitter email address: alper.yegin yegin.org
Date first submitted: 7/19/2006
Reference:
Document: Keying Framework
Comment type: T
Priority: S
Section: 3.5. Exported and Calculated Key Lifetimes
Rationale/Explanation of issue:
3.5. Exported and Calculated Key Lifetimes
All EAP methods generating keys are required to generate
the MSK and
EMSK, and may optionally generate the IV. However, EAP,
defined in
[RFC3748], does not itself support the negotiation of
lifetimes for
exported keying material such as the MSK, EMSK and IV.
Several mechanisms exist for managing key lifetimes:
[a] AAA attributes. AAA protocols such as RADIUS [RFC2865]
and
Diameter [RFC4072] support the Session-Timeout
attribute. The
Session-Timeout attribute represents the maximum
lifetime of the
exported keying material, and all keys depending on it,
on the
authenticator. Since existing backend authentication
servers do
not cache keys exported by EAP methods, or keys
calculated from
exported keys, the value of the Session-Timeout
attribute has no
bearing on the key lifetime within the backend
authentication
server.
On the authenticator, where EAP is used for
authentication the
Session-Timeout attribute represents the maximum
session time prior
to re-authentication. As described in [RFC3580]
Section 3.17, when
sent in an Access-Accept along with a
Termination-Action value of
RADIUS-Request, the Session-Timeout attribute specifies
the maximum
number of seconds of service provided prior to
re-authentication.
Where EAP is used for pre-authentication, the session
may not start
until some future time, or may never occur.
Nevertheless, the
Session-Timeout value represents the maximum time after
which
transported EAP keying material, and all keys dependent
on it, will
have expired on the authenticator. If the session
subsequently
starts, re-authentication will be initiated once the
Session-Time
has expired. If the session never started, or started
and ended, by
default keys transported by AAA and all keys dependent
on them be
expired by the authenticator prior to the future time
indicated by
Session-Timeout; this feature is utilized by
[IEEE-802.11i]. Note
that in future additional attributes may be specified
to control
the lifetime of cached keys; these attributes may
modify the
meaning of the Session-Timeout attribute in specific
circumstances.
Since the TSK lifetime is often determined by
authenticator
resources, and the backend authentication server has no
insight
into the TSK derivation process, by the principle of
ciphersuite
independence, it is not appropriate for the backend
authentication
server to manage any aspect of the TSK derivation
process,
including the TSK lifetime.
Alper: We shall not present this (a) as if it is a complete
mechanism that
can manage key lifetimes on all relevant parties (peer,
authenticator,
authentication server). This only provides the MSK lifetime
to the
authenticator. Only when coupled with how peer learns the
key lifetime for
MSK and EMSK we'd have a complete solution.
Alper: I think what I'm suggesting is to enumerate these
alternatives, such
that (a) appears under "how authenticator dynamically
learns the MSK
lifetime."
[b] Lower layer mechanisms. While AAA attributes can
communicate the
maximum exported key lifetime, this only serves to
synchronize the
key lifetime between the backend authentication server
and the
authenticator. Lower layer mechanisms such as the
Secure
Association Protocol can then be used to enable the
lifetime of
exported and calculated keys to be negotiated between
the peer and
authenticator.
Where TSKs are established as the result of a Secure
Association
Protocol exchange, it is RECOMMENDED that the Secure
Association
Protocol include support for TSK re-key. Where the TSK
is taken
directly from the MSK, there is no need to manage the
TSK lifetime
as a separate parameter, since the TSK lifetime and MSK
lifetime
are identical.
Alper: Secure Association Protocol is a
"consumer" of MSK. For that, I don't
expect it to set the any attributes of the MSK it is
"using." Doing
otherwise is a hack, IMHO. I recommend we remove the current
text from this
option.
Alper: But, we shall retain the option. IMO, the technically
correct way of
doing this is not via the "secure association"
protocol, but via the "eap
transport". The lifetime learned from the
authentication server via AAA
protocols can be conveyed to the EAP peer via such
protocols. If people
agree, I can propose text.
[c] System defaults. Where the EAP method does not support
the
negotiation of the lifetime of exported keys, and a key
lifetime
negotiation mechanism is not provided by the lower
lower, there may
be no way for the peer to learn the lifetime of
exported keys. In
this case it is RECOMMENDED that the peer assume a
default value; 8
hours is recommended. Similarly, the lifetime of
calculated keys
can also be managed as a system parameter on the
authenticator.
[d] Method specific negotiation within EAP. While EAP
itself does not
support lifetime negotiation, it would be possible to
specify
methods that do. However, systems that rely on such
negotiation
for exported keys would only function with these
methods. In the
interest of method independence, key management of
exported or
derived keys SHOULD NOT be provided within EAP methods.
Alper: again, this is all about how peer and authentication
server agrees on
the MSK and EMSK lifetimes. It does not help the
authenticator. We shall
categorize this mechanism as such.
Alper: Besides, what is the interaction between the
lifetimes known and
delivered by the EAP methods and the AAA protocols? My
understanding is, EAP
methods may export lifetimes, and the AAA protocol has the
last say whether
the lifetime should be same as reported by the EAP method,
or something
less. This is all about the "authorization"
aspect.
Requested change:
See above.
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2006-07-21 21:30:25 |
>Alper: We shall not present this (a) as if it is a
complete mechanism that
>can manage key lifetimes on all relevant parties (peer,
authenticator,
>authentication server). This only provides the MSK
lifetime to the
>authenticator. Only when coupled with how peer learns
the key lifetime for
>MSK and EMSK we'd have a complete solution.
Right.
>Alper: I think what I'm suggesting is to enumerate
these alternatives, such
>that (a) appears under "how authenticator
dynamically learns the MSK
>lifetime."
This makes sense.
>Alper: Secure Association Protocol is a
"consumer" of MSK. For that, I
>don't
>expect it to set the any attributes of the MSK it is
"using." Doing
>otherwise is a hack, IMHO. I recommend we remove the
current text from this
>option.
In practice the SAP handles this in a number of cases,
including IKEv2,
802.16e, and 11r. So I don't think we can leave it out.
>Alper: But, we shall retain the option. IMO, the
technically correct way of
>doing this is not via the "secure
association" protocol, but via the "eap
>transport". The lifetime learned from the
authentication server via AAA
>protocols can be conveyed to the EAP peer via such
protocols. If people
>agree, I can propose text.
We should probably describe this as another option.
>[d] Method specific negotiation within EAP. While EAP
itself does not
> support lifetime negotiation, it would be possible
to specify
> methods that do. However, systems that rely on
such negotiation
> for exported keys would only function with these
methods. In the
> interest of method independence, key management of
exported or
> derived keys SHOULD NOT be provided within EAP
methods.
>
>Alper: again, this is all about how peer and
authentication server agrees
>on
>the MSK and EMSK lifetimes. It does not help the
authenticator. We shall
>categorize this mechanism as such.
Yes. In fact, it might create problems if *both* the method
and
SAP/transport are trying to negotiate the lifetime. Do you
have text to
suggest?
>Alper: Besides, what is the interaction between the
lifetimes known and
>delivered by the EAP methods and the AAA protocols? My
understanding is,
>EAP
>methods may export lifetimes, and the AAA protocol has
the last say whether
>the lifetime should be same as reported by the EAP
method, or something
>less. This is all about the "authorization"
aspect.
Right. Another potential conflict.
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2006-07-24 21:14:56 |
> >Alper: Secure Association Protocol is a
"consumer" of MSK. For that, I
> >don't
> >expect it to set the any attributes of the MSK it
is "using." Doing
> >otherwise is a hack, IMHO. I recommend we remove
the current text from
> this
> >option.
>
> In practice the SAP handles this in a number of cases,
including IKEv2,
> 802.16e, and 11r. So I don't think we can leave it
out.
I don't think we want to recommend that method. For that,
not even
mentioning is the best thing, IMHO. If we really want to
capture those
examples, I'd say they should go with a "NOT
RECOMMENDED" qualifier in the
document.
Alper
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