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Strawman -10/EMSK deletion requirement?
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2006-03-10 05:42:35
 
 
> > > > The
> > > > EMSK MUST NOT be transported out of the
EAP (AAA?) Layer 
> > and MUST be 
> > > > deleted when the corresponding EAP
session expires.
> > > 
> > > Replace EAP (AAA?) with EAP Authentication
Server; and 
> > "corresponding 
> > > EAP session expires" with
'corresponding session has ended'.
> > > 
> > > Motivation for above: Not sure if EAP session
is defined; and you 
> > > delete the EMSK when the session is
terminated either because it 
> > > expired or because it was explicitly
terminated.
> > > 
> > 
> > [Joe] I think we will probably need mopre
definition around this. 
> 
> [Avi] Okay.
> 
> > > > Further, an EMSK MUST NOT be used to
generate more than one 
> > > > AMSK for a given application. 
> > > 
> > > I am not sure that the above does not pose a
threat.  
> > > Normally we would
> > > think that one Application would require one
AMSK.  But since 
> > > we are not
> > > defining what an application is -- and we
shouldn't IMO 
> > enter that rat
> > > hole.  Then what if there was some
application that 
> requires an two
> > > AMSKs.?  Is there harm?
> > > 
> > 
> > [Joe] If they are generated at the same time I
don't think 
> there is a
> > problem.  If there is a delay in generation where
the application
> > requires the EMSK to be cached it is less than
optimal.  
> > 
> [Avi] In another email thread we explored this further
and the way I
> understand it is that an Application can have one AMSK
key because:
> 
> FOO-AMSK = KGF(EMSK,"FOO" | ... | ...)
> 
> "FOO" is a the Key Lable and it must be
unique.
> 
> FOO-A-AMSK = KGF(EMSK,"FOO-A" |  ... | ...)
> FOO-B-AMSK = KGF(EMSK,"FOO-B" |  ... | ...)
> 
> Are really two differnet AMSKs and this is legal
because these are
> viewed as two separate applications.
> 
> And 
> FOO-A-AMSK = KGF(EMSK,"FOO" |
"A" | ...)
> FOO-B-AMSK = KGF(EMSK,"FOO" |
"B" | ...)
> 
> Generates two distinct keys but SHOULD not be legal. 
> 
> I am not sure if this is defined correctly.
> 

[Joe] I'm not sure the last has to be illegal but it calls
into question
the "M" in AMSK.  It would be better to derive
these two keys off an
AMSK for FOO.  

> Finally,  I am not sure how this has to do with EMSK
caching or not.

[Joe] Any one application should not introduce a requirement
to cache
the EMSK. If you are going to derive keys at different times
for an
application this should be done off an AMSK not the EMSK.  
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