Re: RHN List Membership

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Re: RHN List Membership
	2007-01-25 12:46:38
Nick Thompson wrote: > I agree as well. > > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhn-users-bouncesredhat.com > [mailto:rhn-users-bouncesredhat.com]On Behalf Of d.qureshimdx.ac.uk > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:33 AM > To: rhn-usersredhat.com > Subject: Re: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership > > > I totally share and support your view on this matter. > > >> I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out colleagues >> as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone is way out of >> line for this discussion list, why not just point them in the right >> direction? It is not like we are all forced to respond to questions if we >> don't want to. This is a support group. >> BRAVO!!! >> Hurra!!! >> I could not say it better! >> Thank you. >> >> Thorsten >> >> _______________________________________________ >> I think the point of this particular discussion has been lost. Nobody is saying that people who have questions should not be helped. If someone has said that, then I want to be on record as saying that is not what I believe or is it what I think the vast majority of people on this list believe either. The problem is people who evidently don't bother to read the description at the top of the web page used to sign up for this list. The page in question, https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users, explicitly says what this list is about: "This list is not intended for discussion about topics specific to Red Hat Enterprise Linux that do not involve Red Hat Network. For discussion of such topics, you may want to try..." It even gives links to the lists for general questions for both RHEL V3 and V4. So for anyone who is paying attention, the message is clear. As for the argument that some people don't know what Red Hat Network really is, the sentence above unambiguously says this list is NOT about topics specific to Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Is that really so hard to understand? To me it seems obvious that anyone who has a specific question regarding Red Hat Enterprise Linux should NOT expect to get answers by joining this list. Polite people don't just jump into a new community with the expectation of getting answers to off-topic questions. A polite person, faced with the uncertainty of whether or not this list is the proper place for a particular question, would ask for help finding the proper place to get help. Instead it seems commonplace that users who should have paid attention to the overtly posted purpose of this list just jump right in and start asking whatever question comes to mind. That's fine, but to expect NOT to be corrected for such obviously poor social and reading comprehension skills is ridiculous. As to the point "the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out colleagues as well as get help for ourselves if needed", I don't disagree. "Lists like this" certainly do perform that function. However you don't ask RHEL questions on an RHN list any more than you would bring your Ford to the local Toyota mechanic. There is a proper place for all of these questions and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that. The bottom line is that there are rules covering how this list operates just like there are rules that govern almost every aspect of life. If you post off-topic, then you're breaking the rules. If someone tells you you're breaking the rules and you get upset that you were corrected, grow up. Following rules is the right thing to do and it is also the polite thing to do. That's really how simple this whole issue really is. Tom _______________________________________________ rhn-users mailing list rhn-usersredhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
Re: RHN List Membership
	2007-01-25 13:10:54
"I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out colleagues as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone is way out of line for this discussion list, why not just point them in the right direction?" You got that right. Every list I belong to and ever have belonged to has had this come up as an issue many times. People are people, you can fight human nature, but the reality is evolution takes a long time, and we ain't so far out of the jungle as we think. I tend to piss a lot of people off on this list when I get mad at the way RHN does its business and suggest people move to OpenBSD. Well, thanks for putting up with me is all I can ultimately say. And you know what else? Sometimes people post something off-topic for the list that is actually very interesting and informative. So it works both ways. Prob'ly made some people mad, again, ok, here come the rocks and garbage, again. Take your best shot... -Robert (aka "Troll", "A**hole", "Moron", and a host of other colorful nicknames people have applied ;^) Tom Rivers wrote: > Nick Thompson wrote: >> I agree as well. >> >> Nick >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rhn-users-bouncesredhat.com >> [mailto:rhn-users-bouncesredhat.com]On Behalf Of d.qureshimdx.ac.uk >> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:33 AM >> To: rhn-usersredhat.com >> Subject: Re: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership >> >> >> I totally share and support your view on this matter. >> >> >>> I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out >>> colleagues >>> as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone is way out of >>> line for this discussion list, why not just point them in the right >>> direction? It is not like we are all forced to respond to questions >>> if we >>> don't want to. This is a support group. >>> BRAVO!!! >>> Hurra!!! >>> I could not say it better! >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Thorsten >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> > I think the point of this particular discussion has been lost. Nobody > is saying that people who have questions should not be helped. If > someone has said that, then I want to be on record as saying that is > not what I believe or is it what I think the vast majority of people > on this list believe either. The problem is people who evidently > don't bother to read the description at the top of the web page used > to sign up for this list. The page in question, > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users, explicitly says > what this list is about: > > "This list is not intended for discussion about topics specific to Red > Hat Enterprise Linux that do not involve Red Hat Network. For > discussion of such topics, you may want to try..." > > It even gives links to the lists for general questions for both RHEL > V3 and V4. So for anyone who is paying attention, the message is > clear. As for the argument that some people don't know what Red Hat > Network really is, the sentence above unambiguously says this list is > NOT about topics specific to Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Is that really > so hard to understand? To me it seems obvious that anyone who has a > specific question regarding Red Hat Enterprise Linux should NOT expect > to get answers by joining this list. > > Polite people don't just jump into a new community with the > expectation of getting answers to off-topic questions. A polite > person, faced with the uncertainty of whether or not this list is the > proper place for a particular question, would ask for help finding the > proper place to get help. Instead it seems commonplace that users who > should have paid attention to the overtly posted purpose of this list > just jump right in and start asking whatever question comes to mind. > That's fine, but to expect NOT to be corrected for such obviously poor > social and reading comprehension skills is ridiculous. > > As to the point "the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out > colleagues as well as get help for ourselves if needed", I don't > disagree. "Lists like this" certainly do perform that function. > However you don't ask RHEL questions on an RHN list any more than you > would bring your Ford to the local Toyota mechanic. There is a proper > place for all of these questions and it doesn't take a rocket > scientist to understand that. > > The bottom line is that there are rules covering how this list > operates just like there are rules that govern almost every aspect of > life. If you post off-topic, then you're breaking the rules. If > someone tells you you're breaking the rules and you get upset that you > were corrected, grow up. Following rules is the right thing to do and > it is also the polite thing to do. That's really how simple this > whole issue really is. > > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > rhn-users mailing list > rhn-usersredhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users > > . > _______________________________________________ rhn-users mailing list rhn-usersredhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users