RE: RHN List Membership

Hi Robert,

The problem (for me) with off-topic messages is they take
time to wade
through, there's only so many work hours in the day.

Being a member of many lists (around 50), you can imagine it
takes a lot
of time to wade through.

With lists that are mostly off-topic, people (like me) will
just leave
them.

Who ends up losing? The people subscribed to the list that
want the help
of "guru's" that have left the list because of the
noise levels.

Regards,

Michael.

-----Original Message-----
From: rhn-users-bouncesredhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bouncesredhat.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Potts
Sent: Friday, 26 January 2007 6:11 AM
To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
Subject: Re: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership

"I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to
help out
colleagues as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If
someone is
way out of line for this discussion list, why not just point
them in the
right direction?"

You got that right.

Every list I belong to and ever have belonged to has had
this come up as
an issue many times.

People are people, you can fight human nature, but the
reality is
evolution takes a long time, and we ain't so far out of the
jungle as we
think.  I tend to piss a lot of people off on this list when
I get mad
at the way RHN does its business and suggest people move to
OpenBSD.  
Well, thanks for putting up with me is all I can ultimately
say.

And you know what else?  Sometimes people post something
off-topic for
the list that is actually very interesting and informative. 
So it works
both ways.

Prob'ly made some people mad, again, ok, here come the rocks
and
garbage, again.  Take your best shot...

-Robert (aka "Troll", "A**hole",
"Moron", and a host of other colorful
nicknames people have applied ;^)

Tom Rivers wrote:
> Nick Thompson wrote:
>> I agree as well.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhn-users-bouncesredhat.com
>> [mailto:rhn-users-bouncesredhat.com]On Behalf Of
d.qureshimdx.ac.uk
>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:33 AM
>> To: rhn-usersredhat.com
>> Subject: Re: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
>>
>>
>> I totally share and support your view on this
matter.
>>
>>  
>>> I thought the whole purpose of lists like this
was to help out 
>>> colleagues as well as get help for ourselves if
needed. If someone 
>>> is way out of line for this discussion list,
why not just point them

>>> in the right direction? It is not like we are
all forced to respond 
>>> to questions if we don't want to. This is a
support group.
>>> BRAVO!!!
>>> Hurra!!!
>>> I could not say it better!
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Thorsten
>>>
>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>     
> I think the point of this particular discussion has
been lost.  Nobody

> is saying that people who have questions should not be
helped.  If 
> someone has said that, then I want to be on record as
saying that is 
> not what I believe or is it what I think the vast
majority of people 
> on this list believe either.  The problem is people who
evidently 
> don't bother to read the description at the top of the
web page used 
> to sign up for this list.  The page in question, 
> htt
ps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users,
explicitly says 
> what this list is about:
>
> "This list is not intended for discussion about
topics specific to Red

> Hat Enterprise Linux that do not involve Red Hat
Network. For 
> discussion of such topics, you may want to
try..."
>
> It even gives links to the lists for general questions
for both RHEL
> V3 and V4.  So for anyone who is paying attention, the
message is 
> clear.  As for the argument that some people don't know
what Red Hat 
> Network really is, the sentence above unambiguously
says this list is 
> NOT about topics specific to Red Hat Enterprise Linux. 
Is that really

> so hard to understand?  To me it seems obvious that
anyone who has a 
> specific question regarding Red Hat Enterprise Linux
should NOT expect

> to get answers by joining this list.
>
> Polite people don't just jump into a new community with
the 
> expectation of getting answers to off-topic questions. 
A polite 
> person, faced with the uncertainty of whether or not
this list is the 
> proper place for a particular question, would ask for
help finding the

> proper place to get help.  Instead it seems commonplace
that users who

> should have paid attention to the overtly posted
purpose of this list 
> just jump right in and start asking whatever question
comes to mind.
> That's fine, but to expect NOT to be corrected for such
obviously poor

> social and reading comprehension skills is ridiculous.
>
> As to the point "the whole purpose of lists like
this was to help out 
> colleagues as well as get help for ourselves if
needed", I don't 
> disagree.  "Lists like this" certainly do
perform that function.
> However you don't ask RHEL questions on an RHN list any
more than you 
> would bring your Ford to the local Toyota mechanic. 
There is a proper

> place for all of these questions and it doesn't take a
rocket 
> scientist to understand that.
>
> The bottom line is that there are rules covering how
this list 
> operates just like there are rules that govern almost
every aspect of 
> life.  If you post off-topic, then you're breaking the
rules.  If 
> someone tells you you're breaking the rules and you get
upset that you

> were corrected, grow up.  Following rules is the right
thing to do and

> it is also the polite thing to do.  That's really how
simple this 
> whole issue really is.
>
>
> Tom
>
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