Extending the start-use-contribute bar.

Hello,

in my previous mail to the list (concerning the new version
of the use page) I 
mentioned something about a new placement for the
Support-Section in my "New 
Version Of the Use-Page" article.

In my opinion such an important topic as support should be
placed on a very 
top level clearly visible to all the visitors of the page.

Therefore I would like to extend the
"Start-Use-Contribute" bar to the 
following:

"Start-Use-contribute-need help?"

Where need help contains not only a reference to the mailing
lists but also 
covers cases like "Where do I find this or that in the
wiki?" (I was thinking 
of a small sitemap or faq which shows how the wiki is
structured)

Any comments on that?

Kind Regards,
Valentin Sawadski
_______________________________________________
Mono-docs-list maillist  -  Mono-docs-listlists.ximian.com
http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-docs-list

On Fri, 2007-25-05 at 16:48 +0200, Valentin Sawadski wrote:
Hi,

> In my opinion such an important topic as support should
be placed on a very 
> top level clearly visible to all the visitors of the
page.
> Therefore I would like to extend the
"Start-Use-Contribute" bar to the 
> following:
> 
> "Start-Use-contribute-need help?"

Yes you are totally right. the "Need help / support
/...." link should
be there. "Download", "Support",
"Getting started / HOWTO" links should
be easily accessible. Including the sitemap is a good idea
too.

I have seen the changes on the page, glad to see an
invisible green
frame ! By the way, should the site be "ported" to
an ASP.Net 2.0 portal
like MojoPortal running under Mono ? It would be a great
demonstration
that the Mono project relies on its own back-end products
 PHP
is
great but it sounds like "concurrent" technology.

About the site audiance : what the project want target ? Is
the website
should only designed for downloading mono, getting
support/news/white
papers/API reference ? 

[My idea is going on a bit slowly this week but it goes].

Kind regards,


_______________________________________________
Mono-docs-list maillist  -  Mono-docs-listlists.ximian.com
http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-docs-list

Hello,

On Saturday 26 May 2007 15:26, Adrien Dessemond wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-25-05 at 16:48 +0200, Valentin Sawadski
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > In my opinion such an important topic as support
should be placed on a
> > very top level clearly visible to all the visitors
of the page.
> > Therefore I would like to extend the
"Start-Use-Contribute" bar to the
> > following:
> >
> > "Start-Use-contribute-need help?"
>
> Yes you are totally right. the "Need help /
support /...." link should
> be there. "Download", "Support",
"Getting started / HOWTO" links should
> be easily accessible. Including the sitemap is a good
idea too.

I was thinking about the howtos as well but came to the
conclusion that it 
would be better not to have all howtos in one-place but to
seperate them by 
topic for example:

If someone interested in developing web-apps there should be
an 
Category "Web-Apps" containing the various
howtos.

This way other users won't be bothered by howtos they do not
want to see.

(Btw. is it just me or are we the only ones actively
participating in this 
mailing-list?)

> I have seen the changes on the page, glad to see an
invisible green
> frame ! By the way, should the site be
"ported" to an ASP.Net 2.0 portal
> like MojoPortal running under Mono ? It would be a
great demonstration
> that the Mono project relies on its own back-end
products  PHP is
> great but it sounds like "concurrent"
technology.

This thought already came up once in the mailing list but I
do not know what 
has been discussed in particular so you should probably
check the archives.

> About the site audiance : what the project want target
? Is the website
> should only designed for downloading mono, getting
support/news/white
> papers/API reference ?

>From http://mono-project.com/Mono_Documentation_Improve
ment_Project :

"The is designed to be a centralized repository for all
mono-related 
documentation and information, to make it easy for users to
find what they 
need."

> [My idea is going on a bit slowly this week but it
goes].

Can't wait to see it.

Kind Regards,
Valentin Sawadski
_______________________________________________
Mono-docs-list maillist  -  Mono-docs-listlists.ximian.com
http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-docs-list

On Sat, 2007-26-05 at 20:26 +0200, Valentin Sawadski's
keyboard wrote:

Hello !

> I was thinking about the howtos as well but came to the
conclusion that it 
> would be better not to have all howtos in one-place but
to seperate them by 
> topic for example:

Very good idea, that will help to keep the information
tidied. 

> If someone interested in developing web-apps there
should be an 
> Category "Web-Apps" containing the various
howtos.

I was having a look at "most wanted page". But
links requires to have an
account. Is there a way to register a new account directly
on the
site ? 

> This way other users won't be bothered by howtos they
do not want to see.

Exact. I suggest to add an index of them somewhere, it is
pretty useful

> (Btw. is it just me or are we the only ones actively
participating in this 
> mailing-list?)

(I have seen some other posts  May the
others subscribers prefer to
see how the debate and things are going on for the moment. I
hope they
will enter in the arena, additional opinions are needed !)

> > I have seen the changes on the page, glad to see
an invisible green
> > frame ! By the way, should the site be
"ported" to an ASP.Net 2.0 portal
> > like MojoPortal running under Mono ? It would be a
great demonstration
> > that the Mono project relies on its own back-end
products  PHP is
> > great but it sounds like "concurrent"
technology.
> 
> This thought already came up once in the mailing list
but I do not know what 
> has been discussed in particular so you should probably
check the archives.

With the actual project progression, it would be a great
benefit.
Really. Mono is capable of running "enterprise-class
applications"
especially ASP.NET web-applications, demonstrating that
directly with
mono-project.net website will score points and give an
amazing good
first-impression.

> > About the site audiance : what the project want
target ? Is the website
> > should only designed for downloading mono, getting
support/news/white
> > papers/API reference ?
> 
> >From http://mono-project.com/Mono_Documentation_Improve
ment_Project :
> 
> "The is designed to be a centralized repository
for all mono-related 
> documentation and information, to make it easy for
users to find what they 
> need."
> 

It seems the "wanted documentation" section is
reserved to registered
users. How can I create a user account on the site ? The
form allows  to
login only (may I missed something). Should I register on
Novell Forge
or should I ask to someone ?

> > [My idea is going on a bit slowly this week but it
goes].
> 
> Can't wait to see it.

Be patient you will see the first results very soon may be
this weekend 

Sorry for short answers, I have many things to finish this
afternoon !

Kind regards,

Adrien

_______________________________________________
Mono-docs-list maillist  -  Mono-docs-listlists.ximian.com
http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-docs-list

Hello,

On Saturday 26 May 2007 22:40, Adrien Dessemond wrote:
> With the actual project progression, it would be a
great benefit.
> Really. Mono is capable of running
"enterprise-class applications"
> especially ASP.NET web-applications, demonstrating that
directly with
> mono-project.net website will score points and give an
amazing good
> first-impression.

I'm also very fond of the idea so I'll try to investigate a
little bit to 
check what software is available and how a possible
migration could look 
like.

> It seems the "wanted documentation" section
is reserved to registered
> users. How can I create a user account on the site ?
The form allows  to
> login only (may I missed something). Should I register
on Novell Forge
> or should I ask to someone ?
>

No there is no way to get an account yourself. You have to
ask Miguel if he's 
willing to create you one. (Or probably someone other with
an sysop-account, 
but I do not know who else has one).

Kind Regards,
Valentin Sawadski
_______________________________________________
Mono-docs-list maillist  -  Mono-docs-listlists.ximian.com
http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-docs-list

On Sun, 2007-27-05 at 18:15 +0200, Valentin Sawadski wrote:

Hello,

>  Mono is capable of running "enterprise-class
applications"
> > especially ASP.NET web-applications, demonstrating
that directly with
> > mono-project.net website will score points and
give an amazing good
> > first-impression.
> 
> I'm also very fond of the idea so I'll try to
investigate a little bit to 
> check what software is available and how a possible
migration could look 
> like.

At least 3 exists : MojoPortal (which has been reported to
work with
latest Mono sources, it uses WebParts), DotNetNuke
(SQL-Server
oriented ?) and Rainbow. I do not have very much information
about them.
Did someone on the list used some of these or have
recommendation to
make ? 

> 
> > It seems the "wanted documentation"
section is reserved to registered
> > users. How can I create a user account on the site
? The form allows  to
> > login only (may I missed something). Should I
register on Novell Forge
> > or should I ask to someone ?
> >
> 
> No there is no way to get an account yourself. You have
to ask Miguel if he's 
> willing to create you one. (Or probably someone other
with an sysop-account, 
> but I do not know who else has one).

For now it is not an emergency, I can live without that, I
can always
provide a content using email.


Kind regards,

Adrien

[Posted by mistake on mono-list, edited and resent here]


_______________________________________________
Mono-docs-list maillist  -  Mono-docs-listlists.ximian.com
http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-docs-list