Gary (Lists) wrote:
> "Gerhard Killesreiter" wrote:
>
>
>> I sincerely hope that people finally get this
message.
>>
>
> One more thing, Mr. Drupal, before I unsub here (at
your request)...
>
>
I'll gladly help along, should you not find the right
button.
> I think the message that you are communicating here is
quite counter to any
> spirit of community, which is what you claim that you
hope to foster (a
> community of open-source contributors.)
>
It is?
> You obviously are a young guy (I'm not, so much) and
that's fine. But, in
>
I wish I were.
> the actual real world, in order to encourage
contribution, there is a
> requirement that you create the conditions for
contribution. Those
> conditions include the possibility of dissent.
>
You can dissent all day and I still won't care. What I care
about is
making unreasonable demands such as me or the Drupal
developers being
responsible for the happiness of your clients or yourself.
> So far, as I've been subscribed to these lists for
only a short time, what
>
Timespans are very relative...
> I've seen is a group of folks who believe they
"are" Drupal. (And, of
> course, a confused guy -- me -- who doesn't understand
how things like
> Documentation got left by the wayside.)
>
These people are usually called developers. Hence the
address and byline
of this list. People concerned with the documentation are
found on the
documentation list.
http:/
/lists.drupal.org/listinfo/documentation
Maybe you want to subscribe and insult them a bit by
repeating above
statement.
> To my ears, your reply is indicative of youth, fear and
self-doubt.
>
That's a good one. Really. I am not young anymore, ok, I
don't like
horror movies, but I don't know what self-doubt is.
> We have made no money from Drupal. In fact, quite the
opposite. The
> possibility that we spotted has turned into a morass of
lost time, wasted
> effort and rude-boy politics. That's our fault, not
yours.
>
If you have clients and don't make money from them, then it
really is
your fault.
> It takes time to find, fix and prepare a distributed
patch. It's pretty easy
>
Don't tell _me_.
> to hack away and get something working, but that's not
a patch. That takes
> a little more time. [1]
>
>
> I doubt very seriously that your attitude is inspiring
to anyone.
>
Well, frankly, I don't know. But I am very sure that
anybody who has
contributed to a free software project does hate your
attitude with a
passion.
> The mixed message is this:
>
> "Contribute and then shut up."
>
> That's a hard sell.
>
Anybody who read my mail like this is welcome to read it
again. The
message is more like "contribute or stfu". At
least that was the
intended message.
> But hey, it's your game.
>
And I am even good at it.
> --
> Gary
>
>
> [1] And from the plethora of submitted patches marked
'Fixed' or
> 'Committed', when they actually are not fixed or
committed, it's no wonder
> why folks don't take the time to prepare something
that is publicly
> distributable -- why bother is the message.
>
I dare you to provide proof of the existence of any such
patches in
Drupal core. Contrib modules are the responsibility of the
individual
maintainers.
> One only has to take a stroll through the Drupal
website to read the level
> of general frustration. Yet, it's easy to dismiss
that as "well, they don't
> write code, so screw them." The problem with
that is you build a cumulative
> tide of discontent.
>
And even if that were true (I consider it at least an unfair
interpretation) why should I care?
> A tide that I see you are surfing with glee.
>
My main reason to develop Drupal is still that it is an
interesting
thing to do. It enables people to do very interesting stuff.
I don't ask
these people to appreciate my work, but if they are set to
disturb my
productive process by sending false claims to this list,
they'll need to
face the heat or get out of the kitchen.
Cheers,
Gerhard
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