Building Emacs-cvs on Cygwin

> From: David Kastrup <dakgnu.org>
> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:04:39 +0200
> Cc: emacs-develgnu.org
> >
> >> > A bare-bones Linux kernel
> >> 
> >> Which neither Richard nor I was talking about.
> >
> > Neither was I, sorry for the confusing wording.  I
later used a more
> > accurate (but much longer) term "GNU/Linux
with all the GNU commands
> > removed".
> 
> But nobody was talking about that except you.  So the
problem does not
> appear to be with your wording.

I no longer know what you were talking about.  What you seem
to say is
of no practical importance, and here's why:

GNU/Linux is called that way because without GNU programs
that system
is unusable, even though more than half of what comes with
the system
are not GNU programs.  Richard is asking people to use the
bare
"Linux" term only in conjunction with the Linux
kernel, and I have no
problem with that; but that doesn't mean that the GNU/Linux
system is
simply a combination of GNU programs and the Linux kernel. 
It is a
logical fallacy to think so.  In particular, it is clear to
everyone
that a kernel alone, without any programs that use that
kernel or at
least have the ability to load and run a program on that
kernel, is
useless.

So, IMO, in practical terms, it doesn't make sense to talk
about the
Linux kernel as opposed to MS-Windows without GNU software. 
The
correct comparison is of a GNU/Linux system without any GNU
software
vs the MS-Windows system as it comes shrink-wrapped.  And
that is the
comparison I made: I think that Richard was right saying
that
MS-Windows comes out of the box as a complete and usable
system, while
GNU/Linux without any GNU program is unusable.

You also made some incorrect statements about Windows, both
about its
usability without ports of GNU software, and wrt our ability
to
clearly define what is the equivalent of the Linux kernel on
Windows.

The cause of Free Software is not served well by concealing
the truth
behind tricky argument techniques and over-simplified
statements.  It
is better served by looking the hard facts in the face and
stating our
principles even if the reality is not as simple as we'd wish
it to be.


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    GNU/Linux is called that way because without GNU
programs that system
    is unusable, even though more than half of what comes
with the system
    are not GNU programs.

That's not the reason we cite, though.
See http://www
.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html.


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> From: Richard Stallman <rmsgnu.org>
> CC: dakgnu.org, emacs-develgnu.org
> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 13:45:53 -0500
> 
>     GNU/Linux is called that way because without GNU
programs that system
>     is unusable, even though more than half of what
comes with the system
>     are not GNU programs.
> 
> That's not the reason we cite, though.
> See http://www
.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html.

What I said is my reading of what that page says.


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    >     GNU/Linux is called that way because without
GNU programs that system
    >     is unusable, even though more than half of what
comes with the system
    >     are not GNU programs.
    > 
    > That's not the reason we cite, though.
    > See http://www
.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html.

    What I said is my reading of what that page says.

The page must be unclear.  Off the list, can we talk to
figure out why?


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> From: Richard Stallman <rmsgnu.org>
> CC: dakgnu.org, emacs-develgnu.org
> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:16:08 -0500
> 
>     >     GNU/Linux is called that way because
without GNU programs that system
>     >     is unusable, even though more than half of
what comes with the system
>     >     are not GNU programs.
>     > 
>     > That's not the reason we cite, though.
>     > See http://www
.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html.
> 
>     What I said is my reading of what that page says.
> 
> The page must be unclear.  Off the list, can we talk to
figure out why?

Sure.


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> From: Richard Stallman <rmsgnu.org>
> CC: dakgnu.org, emacs-develgnu.org
> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:16:08 -0500
> 
>     >     GNU/Linux is called that way because
without GNU programs that system
>     >     is unusable, even though more than half of
what comes with the system
>     >     are not GNU programs.
>     > 
>     > That's not the reason we cite, though.
>     > See http://www
.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html.
> 
>     What I said is my reading of what that page says.
> 
> The page must be unclear.  Off the list, can we talk to
figure out why?

Sure.


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