Minutes for phone meeting on 23 April 2007

Hi all
Please find the minutes of our phone meeting here
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/emotion/minutes
-2007-04-23.html

Best,
felix

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   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

             Phone meeting of the Emotion Incubator Group
                             23 April 2007

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/publi
c-xg-emotion/2007Apr/0003.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w
3.org/2007/04/23-emotion-irc

Attendees

   Present Marc Schroeder, Rob_Clark, Paolo Baggia, Enrico
Zovato,
          Felix_Burkhardt, Catherine Pelachaut, Kostas
Karpouzis,
          Jianhua Tao.

   Regrets
          Hannes_Pirker, Christian_Peter, Myriam_Lamolle

   Chair
          Marc Schröder

   Scribe
          Felix Burkhardt

Contents

     * [4]Topics
     * [5]Review the minutes of previous meeting
     * [6]Future of the Emotion Incubator group
     * [7]Publications
     * [8]Date of next meeting
     * [9]Summary of Action Items
    
_________________________________________________________

Review the minutes of previous meeting

   <marc> ACTION: Marc to restructure (again) the
consolidated use case
   requirements as agreed, by 13 April: consolidated use
case
   requirements document is here:
   [10]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/emotion/wiki/Us
eCasesRequiremen
   ts

     [10] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/emotion/wiki/
UseCasesRequirements

   <marc>ACTION: Marc to collect all slides and upload
them in the
   restricted space of the emoxg group: I have also uploaded
the slides
   from the f2f, Interesting bit of work on content

   <marc> ACTION: Jean-Claude, Christian and Jianhua
to add links to
   example for each point in the requirements document: link
to a use
   case example where this feature is required, by 27 April

   <marc> Jianhua, you intend to link to websites?

   <marc> I thought the link was going to be
mentioning the number of
   the use case where the requirements are needed, both
kinds of links
   are very welcome

   <Jianhua> I will put some links to the website,
which contains some
   application of user case 3

   <marc> ACTION: volunteers to discuss existing ML in
view of our
   requirements document by 4 June

   <Jianhua> some description will also be made.

   <marc> I think there was a list in the mintues of
the f2f

   <kkarpou> the minutes are at:
   [11]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/emotion/minutes
-2007-03-26.html
   , Enrico volunteers for EMMA and SSML, Hannes volunteers
for SMIL,
   Björn volunteers for the HUMAINE EARL, ??? for the
HUMAINE Database
   annotation scheme, ??? for IMDI, ??? for InkML

     [11] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/emotion/minutes
-2007-03-26.html

   <marc>ACTION: Felix to formulate a number of
examples for some types
   of emotion markup before the next phone meeting

   <marc> this will be postponed until the next phone
meeting

   <marc> ACTION: Hannes to ask Tanja to point us to a
short list of
   the most important emotion theories and associated
emotion
   descriptions that we should definitely cover in view of
a
   technological context. Tanja Bänziger will be able to
join the
   Paris meeting. She suggests we have a good justification
for our
   choice of emotion descriptions, no need to be complete.

Future of the Emotion Incubator group

   Paolo: three options:
   ... first if group wants to continue as an own WG,
second: to
   continue as part of aonother group and include the
charter, might be
   the MMI group.
   Paolo Baggia contacted W3C lead Kazuyuki Ashimura and the
Chair of
   the MMI WG Deborah Dahl ... the chair is happy to think
about that
   but needs a call with Marc, third option: no further
activity

   marc: 4th option: recharter as new incubator group whish
has
   slightly different charter

   <marc> I have phoned Steve Bratt on Friday: 4th
option: continue for
   one year as new incubator group.
   My feeling is that the 4th option is most promising; it
would give
   us time to become more concrete before seeking strong
industry
   support.

   Paolo: important for decision: what outcome do we want
for industry?

   marc: outcome of second year would be draft spec.
   ... a way to make it conrete and less abstract

   Felix: thinks continue as incubator grou makes sense
cause topic is
   quite innovative but would like to phone Marc with MMI
chair in
   parallel to consider option to be subgroup of MMI

   <marc> Can people report on attempts to contact
industrial W3C
   members?

   Paolo_BaggiaEnric: who from industry to contact?

   marc: contact people on informal basis is most promising
   ... to get impression who is actually prrpared to work on
the topic.

   Jianhua: can ask tomorrow in SSML meeting
   ... there re many paople from industry and spread the
word.
   ... will mention that states of discussion is how to
continue work.

   <marc> I looked at MMI charter and it would fit to
add Emotion ML
   from my point of view

   <Jianhua> this is also a good way

   <marc> ... it would need a modification of the MMI
Charter

   Paolo_BaggiaEnric: can organize meeting between marc and
MMI chair

   marc: has time second half of may

   Paolo_BaggiaEnric: think to take more time for another
year is good
   idea.

   Rob Clark: 4th option good idea also to share ideas with
other
   people
   ... we just delay the other options for a year.

   cpelacha: good idea to have more time to make suggestions
to
   industry.

   kkarpou: thinks at the moment we're closer to research
and another
   year would halp clarification.

   Paolo_BaggiaEnric: thinks a questionnaire would be good
about that
   matter.

   <marc> So everyone here seems to agree that the
fourth option is
   promising; let's see what the rest of the group thinks
about it.

   <scribe> ACTION: marc to set up questionnaire on
how to proceed the
   work (4 options) by tomorrow recorded in [12]action01]

   <Jianhua> great!

   <scribe> ACTION: Paolo_BaggiaEnric and marc to set
up phone meeting
   with MMI Chair in the early moring by second half of may
[recorded
   in [13]action02]

   Paolo_BaggiaEnric: MMI chair wil also invite marc to
meeting in June
   in Treviso.

Publications

   <marc> There was a paper submitted to ACII
   In the pipeline: a section for the HUMAINE Handbook:
orinigal idea
   was to report on EARL but now it's be better to write on
EmotionXG
   work, the "real" deadline: end of Maya finished
version is than
   needed than.

   <marc> Who wants to be a co-author?

   <Jianhua> I would like to contribute

   FelixYes, me ,too.

   marc and Hannes and Myriam Lamolle already are authors,
discussion
   continues offline.

Date of next meeting

   <marc> only option I see for a phone meeting before
the f2f is 21
   May

   <Jianhua> it's ok for me

   <kkarpou> date is OK with me

   Paolo_BaggiaEnric date ok.

   cpelacha: date ok, time as today

   <marc> any constraints about the time? so same time
as todaY?

   <Jianhua> wonderful

   next meeting 21st may 11 UTC

   <marc> How about hte f2f? Who would be able to
come? 7 June, Paris

   <marc> Catherine: Jean-Claude will be there

   <kkarpou> I will have to check with the dates of
the plenary

   <Felix> I have to be in Berlin on the 7th at 4 pm


   marc: if not enough people are there the f2f might be
held at the
   ACI conference in Lisbon in sep.

   Paolo_BaggiaEnric: have to check but probably can come to
Paris.

   <scribe> ACTION: marc to set up second
questionnaire whether people
   come to Paris f2f by tomorrow recorded in [14]action03]

   marc hopefully more discussion on content on the next
phone meeting

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: marc to set up questionnaire on how to
proceed the
   work (4 options) by tomorrow recorded in [15]action01]
   [NEW] ACTION: marc to set up second questionnaire whether
people
   come to Paris f2f by tomorrow recorded in [16]action03]
   [NEW] ACTION: Paolo_BaggiaEnric and marc to set up phone
meeting
   with MMI Chair in the early moring by second half of may
[recorded
   in [17]action02]

   [End of minutes]
    
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Felix Burkhardt

T-Systems Enterprise Services GmbH
Project & Design, Business Unit Telco
Line of Business Products & Services

PU4, Innovative Communication 
Services&Access Solutions
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>  

T-Systems Enterprise Services GmbH
Aufsichtsrat: René Obermann (Vorsitzender)
Executive Committee: Lothar Pauly (Vorsitzender)*, Helmut
Binder, Albert Henn, Olaf Heyden*, Katrin Horstmann, Ulrich
Kemp, Axel Knobe*,
Wilfried Peters*, Dr. Herbert Schaaff*, Zvezdana Seeger*
Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Frankfurt am Main HRB 55933
Sitz der Gesellschaft: Frankfurt am Main
WEEE-Reg.-Nr. DE87523644
*Geschäftsführer gem. § 35 GmbHG 

    Hi,

Thanks for the minutes and apologies for having missed this
meeting.

As agreed I inserted references to use case examples.
I used plain text references to use cases (eg "Use case
1X "..." 
requires the annotation of ...").

    Best regards,

Jean-Claude


Burkhardt, Felix wrote:
> Hi all
> Please find the minutes of our phone meeting here
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/emotion/minutes
-2007-04-23.html
>
> Best,
> felix
>
> Text Version:
>
>    [1]W3C
>
>       [1] http://www.w3.org/
>
>              Phone meeting of the Emotion Incubator
Group
>                              23 April 2007
>
>    [2]Agenda
>
>       [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/publi
c-xg-emotion/2007Apr/0003.html
>
>    See also: [3]IRC log
>
>       [3] http://www.w
3.org/2007/04/23-emotion-irc
>
> Attendees
>
>    Present Marc Schroeder, Rob_Clark, Paolo Baggia,
Enrico Zovato,
>           Felix_Burkhardt, Catherine Pelachaut, Kostas
Karpouzis,
>           Jianhua Tao.
>
>    Regrets
>           Hannes_Pirker, Christian_Peter,
Myriam_Lamolle
>
>    Chair
>           Marc Schröder
>
>    Scribe
>           Felix Burkhardt
>
> Contents
>
>      * [4]Topics
>      * [5]Review the minutes of previous meeting
>      * [6]Future of the Emotion Incubator group
>      * [7]Publications
>      * [8]Date of next meeting
>      * [9]Summary of Action Items
>     
_________________________________________________________
>
> Review the minutes of previous meeting
>
>    <marc> ACTION: Marc to restructure (again) the
consolidated use case
>    requirements as agreed, by 13 April: consolidated
use case
>    requirements document is here:
>    [10]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/emotion/wiki/Us
eCasesRequiremen
>    ts
>
>      [10] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/emotion/wiki/
UseCasesRequirements
>
>    <marc>ACTION: Marc to collect all slides and
upload them in the
>    restricted space of the emoxg group: I have also
uploaded the slides
>    from the f2f, Interesting bit of work on content
>
>    <marc> ACTION: Jean-Claude, Christian and
Jianhua to add links to
>    example for each point in the requirements document:
link to a use
>    case example where this feature is required, by 27
April
>
>    <marc> Jianhua, you intend to link to
websites?
>
>    <marc> I thought the link was going to be
mentioning the number of
>    the use case where the requirements are needed, both
kinds of links
>    are very welcome
>
>    <Jianhua> I will put some links to the
website, which contains some
>    application of user case 3
>
>    <marc> ACTION: volunteers to discuss existing
ML in view of our
>    requirements document by 4 June
>
>    <Jianhua> some description will also be made.
>
>    <marc> I think there was a list in the mintues
of the f2f
>
>    <kkarpou> the minutes are at:
>    [11]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/emotion/minutes
-2007-03-26.html
>    , Enrico volunteers for EMMA and SSML, Hannes
volunteers for SMIL,
>    Björn volunteers for the HUMAINE EARL, ??? for the
HUMAINE Database
>    annotation scheme, ??? for IMDI, ??? for InkML
>
>      [11] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/emotion/minutes
-2007-03-26.html
>
>    <marc>ACTION: Felix to formulate a number of
examples for some types
>    of emotion markup before the next phone meeting
>
>    <marc> this will be postponed until the next
phone meeting
>
>    <marc> ACTION: Hannes to ask Tanja to point us
to a short list of
>    the most important emotion theories and associated
emotion
>    descriptions that we should definitely cover in view
of a
>    technological context. Tanja Bänziger will be able
to join the
>    Paris meeting. She suggests we have a good
justification for our
>    choice of emotion descriptions, no need to be
complete.
>
> Future of the Emotion Incubator group
>
>    Paolo: three options:
>    ... first if group wants to continue as an own WG,
second: to
>    continue as part of aonother group and include the
charter, might be
>    the MMI group.
>    Paolo Baggia contacted W3C lead Kazuyuki Ashimura
and the Chair of
>    the MMI WG Deborah Dahl ... the chair is happy to
think about that
>    but needs a call with Marc, third option: no further
activity
>
>    marc: 4th option: recharter as new incubator group
whish has
>    slightly different charter
>
>    <marc> I have phoned Steve Bratt on Friday:
4th option: continue for
>    one year as new incubator group.
>    My feeling is that the 4th option is most promising;
it would give
>    us time to become more concrete before seeking
strong industry
>    support.
>
>    Paolo: important for decision: what outcome do we
want for industry?
>
>    marc: outcome of second year would be draft spec.
>    ... a way to make it conrete and less abstract
>
>    Felix: thinks continue as incubator grou makes sense
cause topic is
>    quite innovative but would like to phone Marc with
MMI chair in
>    parallel to consider option to be subgroup of MMI
>
>    <marc> Can people report on attempts to
contact industrial W3C
>    members?
>
>    Paolo_BaggiaEnric: who from industry to contact?
>
>    marc: contact people on informal basis is most
promising
>    ... to get impression who is actually prrpared to
work on the topic.
>
>    Jianhua: can ask tomorrow in SSML meeting
>    ... there re many paople from industry and spread
the word.
>    ... will mention that states of discussion is how to
continue work.
>
>    <marc> I looked at MMI charter and it would
fit to add Emotion ML
>    from my point of view
>
>    <Jianhua> this is also a good way
>
>    <marc> ... it would need a modification of the
MMI Charter
>
>    Paolo_BaggiaEnric: can organize meeting between marc
and MMI chair
>
>    marc: has time second half of may
>
>    Paolo_BaggiaEnric: think to take more time for
another year is good
>    idea.
>
>    Rob Clark: 4th option good idea also to share ideas
with other
>    people
>    ... we just delay the other options for a year.
>
>    cpelacha: good idea to have more time to make
suggestions to
>    industry.
>
>    kkarpou: thinks at the moment we're closer to
research and another
>    year would halp clarification.
>
>    Paolo_BaggiaEnric: thinks a questionnaire would be
good about that
>    matter.
>
>    <marc> So everyone here seems to agree that
the fourth option is
>    promising; let's see what the rest of the group
thinks about it.
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: marc to set up questionnaire
on how to proceed the
>    work (4 options) by tomorrow recorded in
[12]action01]
>
>    <Jianhua> great!
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Paolo_BaggiaEnric and marc to
set up phone meeting
>    with MMI Chair in the early moring by second half of
may [recorded
>    in [13]action02]
>
>    Paolo_BaggiaEnric: MMI chair wil also invite marc to
meeting in June
>    in Treviso.
>
> Publications
>
>    <marc> There was a paper submitted to ACII
>    In the pipeline: a section for the HUMAINE Handbook:
orinigal idea
>    was to report on EARL but now it's be better to
write on EmotionXG
>    work, the "real" deadline: end of Maya
finished version is than
>    needed than.
>
>    <marc> Who wants to be a co-author?
>
>    <Jianhua> I would like to contribute
>
>    FelixYes, me ,too.
>
>    marc and Hannes and Myriam Lamolle already are
authors, discussion
>    continues offline.
>
> Date of next meeting
>
>    <marc> only option I see for a phone meeting
before the f2f is 21
>    May
>
>    <Jianhua> it's ok for me
>
>    <kkarpou> date is OK with me
>
>    Paolo_BaggiaEnric date ok.
>
>    cpelacha: date ok, time as today
>
>    <marc> any constraints about the time? so same
time as todaY?
>
>    <Jianhua> wonderful
>
>    next meeting 21st may 11 UTC
>
>    <marc> How about hte f2f? Who would be able to
come? 7 June, Paris
>
>    <marc> Catherine: Jean-Claude will be there
>
>    <kkarpou> I will have to check with the dates
of the plenary
>
>    <Felix> I have to be in Berlin on the 7th at 4
pm 
>
>    marc: if not enough people are there the f2f might
be held at the
>    ACI conference in Lisbon in sep.
>
>    Paolo_BaggiaEnric: have to check but probably can
come to Paris.
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: marc to set up second
questionnaire whether people
>    come to Paris f2f by tomorrow recorded in
[14]action03]
>
>    marc hopefully more discussion on content on the
next phone meeting
>
> Summary of Action Items
>
>    [NEW] ACTION: marc to set up questionnaire on how to
proceed the
>    work (4 options) by tomorrow recorded in
[15]action01]
>    [NEW] ACTION: marc to set up second questionnaire
whether people
>    come to Paris f2f by tomorrow recorded in
[16]action03]
>    [NEW] ACTION: Paolo_BaggiaEnric and marc to set up
phone meeting
>    with MMI Chair in the early moring by second half of
may [recorded
>    in [17]action02]
>
>    [End of minutes]
>     
_________________________________________________________
>
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> Felix Burkhardt
>
> T-Systems Enterprise Services GmbH
> Project & Design, Business Unit Telco
> Line of Business Products & Services
>
> PU4, Innovative Communication 
> Services&Access Solutions
> Goslarer Ufer 35, 10589 Berlin
> Telefon: +49 30 3497 2218
> Telefax: +49 30 3497 2991
> mobil: 0151 16710189
> E-Mail: felix.burkhardtt-systems.com
> Internet: <http://www.t-systems.com
>  
>
> T-Systems Enterprise Services GmbH
> Aufsichtsrat: René Obermann (Vorsitzender)
> Executive Committee: Lothar Pauly (Vorsitzender)*,
Helmut Binder, Albert Henn, Olaf Heyden*, Katrin Horstmann,
Ulrich Kemp, Axel Knobe*,
> Wilfried Peters*, Dr. Herbert Schaaff*, Zvezdana
Seeger*
> Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Frankfurt am Main HRB
55933
> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Frankfurt am Main
> WEEE-Reg.-Nr. DE87523644
> *Geschäftsführer gem. § 35 GmbHG 
>
>
>
>