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History question about "UTC"
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United States
2007-03-28 14:17:00
Dear FITS WCS friends,

A friend at NRAO asked me whether a historical statement in
Wikipedia is 
correct:
--------

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time

contains the statement:

	The International Telecommunication Union wanted
	Coordinated Universal Time to have a single abbreviation
	for all languages. English speakers and French speakers
	each wanted the initials of their respective languages'
	terms to be used internationally: "CUT" for
"coordinated
	universal time" and "TUC" for "temps
universel
	coordonné". This resulted in the final compromise of
	using UTC.

That sounds vaguely urban-legendish.  How based in fact is
it?

-------
The Wikipedia page has a footnote which is a link to a NIST
page which 
says essentially the same thing.  My first reaction is that
NIST must be 
an authoritative source, and so the story must be true. 
However, my 
friend's remark is correct -- the story does sound somewhat
like an 
urban legend.  As an ex-standards-committee-chairperson with
some 
experience in the engineering of compromise agreements, I
can also 
imagine that it might be true.   Can any of you on the FITS
WCS list 
comment on this UTC story?

-Don Wells


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Re: History question about "UTC"
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2007-03-28 15:40:05
On Wed 2007-03-28T15:17:00 -0400, Don Wells hath writ:
>       The International Telecommunication Union wanted
>       Coordinated Universal Time to have a single
abbreviation
>       for all languages. English speakers and French
speakers
>       each wanted the initials of their respective
languages'
>       terms to be used internationally: "CUT"
for "coordinated
>       universal time" and "TUC" for
"temps universel
>       coordonne�". This resulted in the final
compromise of
>       using UTC.
>
> That sounds vaguely urban-legendish.  How based in fact
is it?

Well, most of what I know is at

http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/timescales.html
but I also have in hand copies of the relevant pages of the
documents
from the IAU general assemblies.

I am pretty certain that CCIR Recommendation 374 was the
original
specification for the radio broadcasts of
atomically-regulated time
and that it was first published in 1963.  I do not have
access to
this recommendation.

The proceedings of the IAU's XIIIth General Assembly in
Prague in 1967
on August 24/26 imply that it was within the previous
triennium that
the term UTC was coined.  In section 6.1 of the document
"The leap
second: its history and possible future" (Nelson et
al., Metrologia
v38, #6, pp509-529, 2001)
(and I reiterate here that EVERYONE should read this
document)
we read that the IAU "approved" the name UTC.

In the proceedings of that IAU meeting, resolution 3 on page
181
indicates that the name UTC seems to have been attached to
the
broadcasts by the first revision of CCIR 374, namely
Recommendation
374-1, CCIR Documents of the XIth Plenary Assembly, Osly
1966, Volume
III, p.  281, 282.  In the same sentence it states merely
that UTC
"soit universellement etendue".  I take this
resolution as being no
stronger than recognition of the CCIR as defining the name,
not as
meaning the name was actually "approved" by the
IAU.  The only people
who could say otherwise as of now are probably Guinot and
Kovalevsky,
and I suspect that some of those now dead would disagree
with whatever
they might say.

It is clear, however, that the initials UTC (then typically
rendered
U.T.C.  in English texts and T.U.C.  in French) had been in
use for
some time before the 1967 IAU meeting.  That they were used
in the
same paragraphs as U.T.  (and T.U.), U.T.0, U.T.2, E.T.,
E.T.1, E.T.0,
A.T.  (and T.A.), S.A.T., U.T.C, etc.

The notions for UT0, UT1, and UT2 were approved by the IAU
in 1955,
but I know of no written record for their actual names (and
in French
they tended to be written with the ordering TU0, TU1, TU2).
I cannot recall where I have read that the names were
probably coined
by Markowitz as chair of IAU 31 while working the
implementation out
with the folks then at BIH.  The Stoykos are dead, Guinot
has written
several documents about this, and for further oral histories
I would
aldo direct historians at Seidelmann and McCarthy.

The principal effect of CCIR 374-1 may have been to
reinforce the
rolling of the typographical snowball for the dropping of
the periods
in the abbreviations and the adoption of a single ordering
independent
of language.  In the 1970 IAU documents the ordering was
consistent
everywhere, and some authors still used periods.  In the
1973 IAU
documents the periods were all gone.

So I don't have any facts.  I can't say what the CCIR were
thinking in
1966.  I would love to see the actual document along with
proceedings,
and interviews of anyone who was there, but I suspect they
were
following the lead of Markowitz when he helped coin UT0,
UT1, and UT2
about a decade earlier.

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Re: History question about "UTC"
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2007-03-29 00:24:54
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Steve Allen wrote:

> ...for further oral histories I would also direct
historians at
> Seidelmann and McCarthy.

I asked Dennis McCarthy about this and he replied:

> ...I suspect that the abbreviation follows from the
suite of UT versions
> that were available, i.e. UT0, UT1, UT2 ... UTC. 
Recall that UT2 was an
> attempt to arrive at an "astronomical"
uniform time before we settled on
> Caesium.
>
> I do know that "Coordinated Universal Time"
was first used to describe
> the version of UT that RGO and USNO
"coordinated."  It began when they
> had the idea that the changes made to clocks (quartz
crystals at the
> time) to bring them closer to the astronomical time
(UT2) should somehow
> be coordinated between the two observatories.  Hence
the name,
> "Coordinated Universal Time." Up to that time
individual observatories
> adjusted clocks as they saw fit in order to bring them
into alignment
> with UT2.  It also coincided with the coordination
agreements between
> USNO and RGO regarding the almanacs.
>
> I have no reason to believe the wikipedia urban
legend.

He says he may dig further, and I shall forward Steve's
contribution to
him.


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Re: History question about "UTC"
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2007-04-12 00:13:46
On Wed 2007-03-28T15:17:00 -0400, Don Wells hath writ:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time
>
> contains the statement:
>
>       The International Telecommunication Union wanted
>       Coordinated Universal Time to have a single
abbreviation
>       for all languages. English speakers and French
speakers
>       each wanted the initials of their respective
languages'
>       terms to be used internationally: "CUT"
for "coordinated
>       universal time" and "TUC" for
"temps universel
>       coordonné". This resulted in the final
compromise of
>       using UTC.
>
> That sounds vaguely urban-legendish.  How based in fact
is it?

I think it derives from the sci.astro FAQ,
Subject: C.02 What are all those different kinds of time?
Authors:
Paul Schlyter
Markus Kuhn
Paul Eggert

That entry is both rather dated, full of unreferenced info,
and in places just wrong.

I shudder to realize that I may have one of the most
complete
collections of the original references.

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Steve Allen                 <slaucolick.org>            
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