On Thu 2008/03/27 21:53:37 MDT, Doug Tody wrote
in a message to: Mark Calabretta <mcalabre atnf.csiro.au>
and copied to: Paddy Leahy <j.p.leahymanchester.ac.uk>, fitswcsnrao.edu
Dear Doug,
>Normally I don't fall for the flame-bait, but actually
significant
You surprise me completely, that was not
"flame-bait".
>parts of the WCS concept and technology were developed
independently
>in IRAF, way back in the eighties, and with great
reluctance were
Original versions of G&C (it started as a single paper)
used the CDi_j
variant of the CD00i00j matrix proposed by Hanisch &
Wells (1988) which
came from the NASA-sponsored meeting held in Charlotesville
in Jan/1988.
Isn't that where IRAF got the CD matrix?
However, we are obliged to you for convincing us to preserve
CDELTn.
This followed a discussion between you and Eric at the AAS
meeting in
Berkeley in 1993, I have the email from Eric detailing your
reasons if
you want to see it. Consequently we reverted to CDELTi +
matrix.
Initially we were going to call it CDi_j with the current
meaning of
PCi_j but there were objections regarding prior conflicting
usage in
IRAF so Eric changed the name. Your original email
accepting this
solution is appended.
>later allowed to influence the development of the actual
WCS standard,
>which has always been tightly controlled by G&C.
Later you insisted that we must revert to the CDi_j matrix.
I don't
recall that you ever provided a reason, I believe it was
simply because
it was the way IRAF did it. That is what we resisted, for
the reasons
originally espoused by you in 1993, and for compelling
reasons that
emerged subsequently, c.f. Sect. 2.1.2 of Paper I.
>We didn't merely
>"adopt" it later as you suggest above
Point (4) in my itemised list refers to the AIPS convention,
not the
WCS standard, so you've fundamentally misread what I was
saying. Didn't
you adopt the AIPS convention in IRAF? If not, then I was
mistaken.
> - the current WCS implementation
>in IRAF predates the WCS standard.
Doesn't it use WCSLIB? Lindsay provided me with much
valuable feedback
on the earlier versions of WCSLIB. I was given to
understand that she
was modifying IRAF to use it. (Sadly, AIPS, Miriad and
karma also have
not progressed beyond the AIPS convention and I'm sure there
are many
more.)
>In the end we did not mind since
>it turned out ok - plus it could never have been as good
as it is
>without the expertise of all involved. But please don't
suggest that
>WCS came only from the radio/AIPS community.
All of the non-linear stuff came from Eric's original AIPS
memos, my
aips++ memo, and what we added subsequently ourselves and
with useful
input from a number of people. As far as I am aware, your
input was
related to issues regarding the CD matrix. We were also
vaguely aware
that you may have had something to do with alternate
coordinate
descriptors but I have nothing to confirm that.
In fact, I did a meticulous search through thousands of
emails (2880
would you believe! - see attached) to ensure that everyone
who provided
significant input to the paper, not simply asking a
question, is listed
in the acknowledgements. Stricty speaking, your input all
relates to
Paper I. However, we included you in Paper II also as a
courtesy.
Was there something else that I am unaware of?
Regards, Mark
>>>
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 94 20:23:03 MST (Mon 13:23 EST)
From: todynoao.edu (Doug Tody)
To: egreisenprimate.cv.nrao.edu
Cc: mcalabrenoao.edu
Subject: Re: change to CD wrt CDELT
> I did not realize how widespread the usage of a
proposed but not
> much discussed format has been. I could adopt the
attitude that
> people who do that get what they deserve. But it would
be friendlier
> to consign both CDiiijjj and CDi_j to the "we know
what they mean and
> will no longer use them" category and replace
CDiiijjj in the wcs
> proposal with something else - tentatively PCiijjj
("pixel conversion,
> "politically correct", ...). I have placed a
revised draft in the
> fits area (later today).
Eric - this looks to me like it ought to resolve the
problem. I will be
happy with whatever you choose to call the new matrix. My
only comment is
that since most or all the other WCS keywords have a
"C" prefix, it would be
more pleasing to call the new matrix
C<something-other-than-D>. CD matrix
is "Coordinate Definition[Determination?] matrix"
so logically one would be
looking for a word other than "Definition" and
this would provide a name for
the new keyword. Perhaps "Coordinate Transformation
matrix", CT? But as I
say, "PC" is fine with me if that is what you
prefer. ("Politically Correct"
is certainly more fun than my suggestion though).
Cheers, Doug
>>>
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 13:52:28 +1100
From: Mark Calabretta <mcalabregrus.atnf.CSIRO.AU>
To: Eric Greisen <egreisencv3.cv.nrao.edu>
Cc: Bob Hanisch <hanischstsci.edu>
Subject: Re: Paper I edits
On Wed 2002/03/06 11:07:37 +1100, Mark Calabretta wrote
in a message to: Eric Greisen <egreisencv3.cv.nrao.edu>
>I was also intending to produce a list of all email
senders in my
>archive and that would be useful for this exercise.
Hi Eric,
The list is appended - this consists of all WCS email (2362
messages) plus
that of the fitswcs exploder (216); total 2578. It
excludes my WCSLIB
(219) and PGSBOX (83) folders.
Including these, my grand total is - would you believe -
2880!
I've appended the script I wrote to count the senders. It
assumes that
each message resides in a separate file (as in MH mail
folders). It would
be interesting to see what figures you come up with. (If
you use unix
mail you could just 'inc' it into MH for the purpose.)
I'll get back to you on the other question re. Paper I
acknowledgements.
Cheers, Mark
>>>
930 Mark Calabretta
726 Eric Greisen
182 Steve Allen
123 Don Wells
79 Patrick Wallace
36 William Pence
34 Brian Glendenning
30 Bob Hanisch
27 Doug Mink
23 William Thompson
22 David Berry
20 Arnold Rots
19 Barry Schlesinger
18 Doug Tody
18 Frank Valdes
17 Peter Bunclark
15 Lindsey Davis
15 Mike Kesteven
11 Peter Teuben
11 Stephen Walton
8 Malcolm Currie
8 Dave Green
8 Clive Page
7 Jeff Bloch
7 Ray Norris
6 Wim Brouw
6 Bill Gray
6 Lee Howells
5 Richard Hook
5 Emmanuel Bertin
4 Russell Cannon
4 Lucio Chiappetti
4 Bob Garwood
4 Perry Greenfield
4 Tim Pearson
4 Jeff Pier
3 David Barnes
3 Bill Cotton
3 Bev Ewen-Smith
3 Douglas Finkbeiner
3 Dorothy Goddard
3 Sally Hales
3 Gareth Hunt
3 Neil Killeen
3 Jonathan McDowell
3 Vince McIntyre
3 Mehrdad Moshir
3 Francois Ochsenbein
3 Rob Seaman
2 Marsha Allen
2 Joss Bland-Hawthorn
2 Pierre Dubath
2 Rick Ebert
2 Steven Gibson
2 Louis Giglio
2 Richard Gooch
2 Jean Guibert
2 Bob Hanson
2 Philip Jacknis
2 Leonia Kogan
2 Tom Kuiper
2 Jim Lewis
2 Ashish Mahabal
2 Patrick Murphy
2 Michael Newberry
2 Andrew Pickles
2 Ray Plante
2 Bob Sault
1 Herve Aussel
1 Anne Barends
1 Marten Blixt
1 Julian Daniels
1 Bob Denny
1 Erik Deul
1 Jesse Doggett
1 Anders Eklof
1 Thierry Forveille
1 Immanuel Freedman
1 Maik Gottschalk
1 Paul Green
1 Stephane Guilloteau
1 Greg Hennessy
1 Phil Hodge
1 G. Jarvis
1 Justin Jonas
1 Osamu Kanamitsu
1 Michael Kesteven
1 Dana Kovaleva
1 Juergen Liesmann
1 Stupendous Man
1 Malte Marquarding
1 Brian McLean
1 Yas Murata
1 Robert Mutel
1 Jerome Neel
1 Mike Newberry
1 Michael Nolan
1 Mike Nolan
1 Bill Owen
1 Juan Santander
1 P Sartoretti
1 Paul Schlyter
1 Thomas Schmidt
1 David Shupe
1 Lister Staveley-Smith
1 Bringfried Stecklum
1 Michal Szymanski
1 Jim Ulvestad
1 Manabu Watanabe
1 Andreas Wicenec
1 Steve Willner
1 Oleg Yu. Malkov
4 JournalA&A
2 Majordomokochab.cv.nrao.edu
1 Majordomomajordomo.cv.nrao.edu
1 Mail Delivery Subsystem
1 fitswcs-admindonar.cv.nrao.edu
1 FITS SUPPORT OFFICE
1 A+A Leiden
----- -----
2578 Total
>>>
#!/bin/sh
#-----------------------------------------------------------
------------------
# Find all email senders in an MH mail folder.
#-----------------------------------------------------------
------------------
trap 'rm -f list.raw' 1 2 3 15
rm -f list.raw
# Find the first occurrence of "From:" in each
file.
for i in `ls [1-9]* | sort -n`
do
sed -n -e "/^From:/{s/^/$i: /;p;q;}" $i
>> list.raw
done
sed -e 's/.*From: //'
-e 's/ *(via the vacation program)//'
-e '{s/^"//;s/"* <.*>$//;}'
-e '{s/.*.* (//;s/)$//;s/ (.*//;}'
-e 's/^Dr. *//'
-e 's/[(.*)]/1/'
-e 's/ [A-Z].* / /'
-e 's/([A-Za-z]*).([A-Za-z]*).*/1
2/'
-e 's/=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_N=E9el?=/Jerome Neel/'
-e 's/abarends/Anne Barends/'
-e 's/BARRY SCHLESINGER/Barry Schlesinger/'
-e 's/davisnoao.edu/Lindsey Davis/'
-e 's/dwellsnrao.edu/Don Wells/'
-e 's/DUBATH Pierre/Pierre Dubath/'
-e 's/Jacknis, Philip S./Philip Jacknis/'
-e 's/GUIBERT/Guibert/'
-e 's/gjarvis.*/G. Jarvis/'
-e 's/jrlast.*/Jim Lewis/'
-e 's/mcalabre/Mark Calabretta/'
-e 's/mwatana.*/Manabu Watanabe/'
-e 's/P.T.Wallace/Patrick Wallace/'
-e 's/rjhanisch/Bob Hanisch/'
-e 's/ROBIN::AIPSMNGR/Mark Calabretta/'
-e 's/sla.*/Steve Allen/'
-e 's/teuben.*/Peter Teuben/'
-e 's/thompsonorpheus.*/William Thompson/'
-e 's/Vincent McIntyre/Vince McIntyre/' list.raw |
sort +1 |
awk
'BEGIN {
sender = "" ; count = 0 ; total = 0
}
sender == "" {
sender = $0
}
sender == $0 {
count++ ;
total++
}
sender != $0 {
print sprintf("%5d %s", count, sender) ;
sender = $0 ;
count = 1 ;
total++
}
END {
print sprintf("%5d %s", count, sender) ;
print sprintf("----- -----", total) ;
print sprintf("%5d Total", total) ;
}' > list.cooked
exit 0
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