<quaid> <meeting>
<quaid> as per the new rules, we are just doing stuff
and whoever is
here == quorum
<quaid> unless we detect gross negligence, etc. 
<stickster> right-o
* quaid digs up that shed-yool
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<quaid>
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProjec
t/SteeringCommittee/TaskSchedule
<stickster> Looks like Thursday I need to pick up PO
for IG
<quaid>
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Sche
dule#guides-schedule
<stickster> quaid: I show today was the day for
another relnotes
deadline mailbomb to f-{devel,maintainers}-list
<stickster> Can you copy/paste your previous email?
<stickster> heh, f-spam-l
<quaid> word
<stickster> jeremy posted a message to
anaconda-devel-list with a link
to the IG candidate I put up as a tarball on the wiki
<stickster> So far, no feedback, + or -
<stickster> Packaging update: Did a LOT of work on OMF
to get it "just
right" for release notes
<stickster> It will probably be OK for Makefile.common
<stickster> While doing this, I discovered that we
probably have some
ability to make modules with multiple documents... it will
take some
pretty intense Make-fu but it should be possible... probably
won't even
involve breaking anything. That's for the post-FC6
timeframe...
maybe
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* stickster doesn't have anything else to report this week
<stickster> As I told f13 earlier, many of the current
PO (9 locales)
are ready to go... others are stalled since the translators
didn't do
the common entity work required first :-(
<stickster> I sent mail to f-trans-l to see if anyone
could get any
done, but it's pretty late in the game
<quaid> modules == cool
<quaid> hoping that we get some -fu from the RHEL
team, in terms of
toolchain goodness
<stickster> Um... ok
<quaid> but no fingers crossed until we see the stuff
<quaid> yeah
* stickster does a Rip van Winkle in the meantime :-D
<quaid> just keep stuff on the list, jfearn reads
<stickster> jfeam?
<stickster> Oh, sorry, font rendering problem :-D
<quaid> heh
<stickster> DejaVu Sans Condensed has its moments
<stickster> Anyhoo...
<stickster> I don't think I have anything else to
report
<quaid> hey, hmm ... there is two days for the
entities, maybe we'll
catch more
<stickster> Umm... yeah, for Web release, yeah
<stickster> I did note that in the email
<quaid> oh, right, sorry
<quaid> I was transposing RN on IG
<stickster> np, I understood
<quaid> or vice-v
<stickster> or v-v
<stickster> v-v-va-voom
<quaid> ok, updating the taskschedule
<quaid> I'm owning the DUG stuff, too
<stickster> Wow, amazing how much faster we move when
people aren't
making you work for a living!
<quaid> as I said, not going to seek translation,
going to get it baked
more
<stickster> Cool re: DUG
<quaid> what is OMF?
<stickster> Did I write too much detail in that Photo
section?
<stickster> Ah, uh...
<stickster> Open Metadata Framework? I think...
<quaid> ok
<stickster> It's just a way of describing document
metadata
<quaid> where are we with the fedora-release-faq
idea/plan/work?
<stickster> Scrollkeeper, which is a system function
for tracking that
stuff in Fedora, keeps lists of OMFs for online
documentation
<stickster> Hmmm
<stickster> I... don't. Er, know.
<quaid> it's here but I don't seem to recall if we
decided to do
something with it ... it could be in fedora-release-notes as
a file so
we can link it easily from the splash HTML page
<stickster> I'm reluctant at this point because we
have no one providing
traction for the latter part of that plan
<quaid> which brings up another point ... weren't we
going to push a new
splash page for /usr/share/HTML/index.html?
<stickster> That was a Bob thing.
<quaid> yeah, those are related
<quaid> glezos?
<stickster> Yeah, I think they were supposed to get
together on list
<stickster> I didn't see anything about it beyond the
original mockup.
<stickster> Without a proof of concept at this point
I'm very nervous
about moving down that road before FC6.
<stickster> It's been a lot of work for me just to
get to where we have
i18n OMF for the docs
<stickster> I still haven't even finished that
completely -- I really
need to provide i18n .desktop files as well and that takes
some
additional doing.
<quaid> or we could break out of the mold and just
make something cool
happen
<quaid> there is just enough time if e.g. glezos
applies hisself
<quaid> it should just be files that go into CVS,
which reference
themselves; it shouldn't affect the package in any way.
<stickster> Yeah, the HTML part is pretty easy I would
think
<stickster> But the doc integration is not as much so
<quaid> the FAQ?
<quaid> I put this into the task list, and the FAQ is
optional IMO
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<stickster> Well, again, if our contributors step up
to the plate we
should welcome them
<stickster> But given the amount of time it takes me
to do Makefile
hacking I can't promise a bunch of packaging integration I
can't deliver
on time :-(
<stickster> I've got some RH developers bugging me in
BZ about i18n for
the desktop docs delivery, so I'm trying my best to get it
working in a
way that we can carry out to all of our CVS
<stickster> The front page thing should be completely
doable tho'
<stickster> Like you said, link out anything that
isn't ready, and
viola.
<quaid> it doesn't seem like it requires makefile
help
<quaid> only the FAQ, and that we mark as optional
<stickster> Yup, I say go for the HTML
<stickster> Can you get Dim to work on this?
<quaid> just requested to the list
<stickster> sweetness
<quaid> yeah, we can always just dump the FAQ to HTML,
style it, and put
that in manually, skipping the XML -> HTML step
<quaid> I'll leave that up to him, or he who takes
the challenge
<stickster> Yuck, that doesn't sound good
<stickster> Then if we release the FAQ as a module we
have to figure out
a way to obsolete files from another RPM? *shudder*
<quaid> hmm
<quaid> ok, I don't see a way around that
<stickster> Too hard to get that part right the first
time... what with
the CSS stylin' required, I'd say let's just link out to
the FAQ for
now, and look at how we'll handle it better for next time
'round
<quaid> do you think we should push docs packages to
Extras?
<stickster> "CSS stylin' required" ==
making the page beautifulicious
<stickster> I think it would be cool to have them
there
<stickster> I don't see a good reason for them to be
in Core
<quaid> so at least we can get them out there and
tested sooner, maybe
make it possible for people to actually get a new FAQ etc.
from Extras?
<quaid> word
<stickster> This was our original plan...
<quaid> well, where wasn't totally settled, was it?
<stickster> Yeah, a little odd because of release
notes
<stickster> They're an exception methinks
<stickster> Now with Extras being available in the
installer, and having
a comps file that we can add to in Extras, much less of a
worry
<quaid> cool, we can have a group that people install
"Fedora
Documentation" or somesuch
<quaid> yep
<stickster> ...it's just taking longer than expected
because every time
I think we're ready, I find out that I did something
incredibly
boneheaded and I have to back up halfway and start again
<stickster> TR has been scarce to keep me from
shooting myself in the
foot... but he hopes to be back around more soon
<stickster> I'm trying to do a better job of
understanding what he's
done already and extend it
<stickster> I'm starting to get a lot of it that was
mysterious to me
before
<stickster> The main issue I see now is that docs
packaging is not ever
going to be a push-button operation for an editor... it will
take
packaging knowledge to do correctly
<stickster> Which means the neglected DocG is even
more necessary than
before
* quaid fires a request about PDF into f-devel-java-l
<stickster> Ah good!
<stickster> Our stylesheet for PDF sucks in xmlto, so
anything we can do
for better PDFs is awesome
<stickster> It often works, but is fugly
* quaid goes to confirm that lack of content on his nagmail
list of
pages
<quaid> which is about the last of our task items to
discuss, fwiw
<stickster> whew!
<stickster> good meeting!
<quaid> yeah
<quaid> AOB?
<stickster> I'm going to continue working on this
.desktop issue... if I
can get that licked we are a LONG way toward packaging
<stickster> Possibly have a beautiful first run
packaging process in
place for relnotes for final
<quaid> cool
<quaid> anybody who might help you with it? some
connection we can
make?
<stickster> nuttin else
<stickster> Well, all the phones I've tried went dead
after "Hello,
would you like to..." 
<stickster> Tommy is incommunicado for a short time
still
<quaid> if you have anyone in particular I might use
some special
influence on or something
<stickster> If he gets back online in the next week
I'll certainly be
asking him for help
<quaid> my mythical beer tip jar, for example
<stickster> heh
<quaid> ok, rock on
<quaid> </meeting>
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