Name for future Fedora distribition?

Hey, what happened to the puppies?

On 11/30/06, Francesco Ugolini <francesco.ugolinifedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Hernan Pachas ha scritto:
> > +1
> >
> > ---Hernan
> >
> > On 11/30/06, Dimitris Glezos <dimitrisglezos.com> wrote:
> >> O/H Thomas Canniot έγραψε:
> >> > Le jeudi 30 novembre 2006 à 14:10 +0100,
Gerold Kassube a écrit :
> >> >> why not only
> >> >>
> >> >> *FEDORA*
> >> >>
> >> >> this says all 
> >>
> >> +1.
> >>
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I agree, How about just keeping it Fedora and/or Fedora
Linux,
everyone knows that and no point in confusing people again.
No one
really cared about the Core part anyway, IMO it was a stupid
name.

On 11/30/06, Alex Maier <lxmaiergmail.com> wrote:
> Hey, what happened to the puppies?
>
> On 11/30/06, Francesco Ugolini
<francesco.ugolinifedoraproject.org> wrote:
> > Hernan Pachas ha scritto:
> > > +1
> > >
> > > ---Hernan
> > >
> > > On 11/30/06, Dimitris Glezos <dimitrisglezos.com> wrote:
> > >> O/H Thomas Canniot έγραψε:
> > >> > Le jeudi 30 novembre 2006 à 14:10
+0100, Gerold Kassube a écrit :
> > >> >> why not only
> > >> >>
> > >> >> *FEDORA*
> > >> >>
> > >> >> this says all 
> > >>
> > >> +1.
> > >>
> > >> -d
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
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> > >> Jabber ID: glezosjabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B
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m/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "He who gives up functionality for
ease of use
> > >> loses both and deserves neither."
(Anonymous)
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On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 14:43 -0500, Steve Barnhart wrote:
> I agree, How about just keeping it Fedora and/or Fedora
Linux,
> everyone knows that and no point in confusing people
again. No one
> really cared about the Core part anyway, IMO it was a
stupid name.

I agree with Fedora Linux. Someone looking for a Linux
system that isn't
already in the choir will find it more easily in searches.
Those of us
who were writing about Red Hat Linux were thrown into naming
hell when
Red Hat Linux shifted to Fedora Core. Fedora Linux would
have softened
the blow.

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On Thursday 30 November 2006 17:33, Chris Negus wrote:
> I agree with Fedora Linux. Someone looking for a Linux
system that isn't
> already in the choir will find it more easily in
searches. Those of us
> who were writing about Red Hat Linux were thrown into
naming hell when
> Red Hat Linux shifted to Fedora Core. Fedora Linux
would have softened
> the blow.

Personally I'd like to name the distribution releases with
"Linux", so you get 
Fedora Desktop Linux 7 (Naugahyde), Fedora Server Linux 7
(Naugahyde), etc...

A book that covers all of the Fedora Linux releases could
use the 
generic "Fedora Linux" term.

We still have to name the pile of packages collection.

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On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Chris Negus wrote:

> On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 14:43 -0500, Steve Barnhart
wrote:
>> I agree, How about just keeping it Fedora and/or
Fedora Linux,
>> everyone knows that and no point in confusing
people again. No one
>> really cared about the Core part anyway, IMO it was
a stupid name.
>
> I agree with Fedora Linux. Someone looking for a Linux
system that isn't
> already in the choir will find it more easily in
searches. Those of us
> who were writing about Red Hat Linux were thrown into
naming hell when
> Red Hat Linux shifted to Fedora Core. Fedora Linux
would have softened
> the blow.

But, see, that's not even what we're talking about.

We're not talking about "what will we rename Fedora
Core to?"  We're 
looking at FUNDAMENTAL changes of the ACTUAL DELIVERABLES of
the Fedora 
Project.

=== AS OF RIGHT NOW, HERE'S WHAT FEDORA LOOKS LIKE: ===

Fedora Core is:
   (a set of packages maintained by RH)
     AND
   (a Linux distribution).

Fedora Extras is:
   (a set of packages maintained by The Fedora Community).

=== IN THE FUTURE, HERE'S WHAT FEDORA WILL LOOK LIKE: ===

Fedora _X_ is:
   (the maximal set of packages maintained by The Fedora
Community)
     AND
   (too big to distribute on a single CD or DVD)
     AND
   (therefore NOT a Linux distro).

Fedora _Y_ is:
   (a Linux distro blessed by RH that is a strict subset of
Fedora _X_)
     AND
   (a Linux distro aimed at, oh, servers).

Fedora _Z_ is:
   (a Linux distro blessed by RH that is a strict subset of
Fedora _X_)
     AND
   (a Linux distro aimed at, oh, GNOME-based desktops).

===

So following Chris's logic, maybe we'd fill in values as
such:
   X = Fedora 7 Linux
   Y = Fedora 7 Linux Server
   Z = Fedora 7 Linux Desktop

And maybe I buy that for Y and Z... but not for X.  Because
people will 
say "I want Fedora Linux", and that's not going to
be a sufficient answer, 
because "Fedora Linux" will just be too damned
big.

Anyway.  Those are the issues as I see them.  Discuss.  

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Oh a name game! I like name games.

Fedora Akixiusiaksraqsi
translated from the I�upiat Eskimo Dictionary
Fedora "your future rewards (potentially received
rewards)"

Fedora Akiqsruun
translated as
Fedora Promise
or
Fedora Covenant

Covenant:
An agreement between two parties. The agreement, according
to Ancient
Near East custom, consists of five parts: 1) Identification
of
parties, 2) Historical prologue where the deeds establishing
the
worthiness of the dominant party is established, 3)
Conditions of the
agreement, 4) Rewards and punishments in regard to keeping
the
conditions, and 5) Disposition of the documents where each
party
receives a copy of the agreement

And considering how much emphasis we place on the importance
of
licensing as the defining quality of what can be part of the
Fedora
software universe, naming the space..convenant..isn't so
out-of-line
with that emphasis.

What is Fedora if it isn't a promise. What is Fedora if it
isn't an
expression of a unspoken covenant with the community, to
push FOSS
forward into the future, a future with rewards for everyone
who is
involved in the process.

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On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 17:37 -0500, Jesse Keating wrote:
> Personally I'd like to name the distribution releases
with "Linux", so you get 
> Fedora Desktop Linux 7 (Naugahyde), Fedora Server Linux
7 (Naugahyde), etc...
> 
> A book that covers all of the Fedora Linux releases
could use the 
> generic "Fedora Linux" term.
> 
> We still have to name the pile of packages collection.

Great! I was just hoping for Linux in the official name.
Separate
distribution releases is good too.

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On 11/30/06, Greg Dekoenigsberg <gdkredhat.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Chris Negus wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 14:43 -0500, Steve Barnhart
wrote:
> >> I agree, How about just keeping it Fedora
and/or Fedora Linux,
> >> everyone knows that and no point in confusing
people again. No one
> >> really cared about the Core part anyway, IMO
it was a stupid name.
> >
> > I agree with Fedora Linux. Someone looking for a
Linux system that isn't
> > already in the choir will find it more easily in
searches. Those of us
> > who were writing about Red Hat Linux were thrown
into naming hell when
> > Red Hat Linux shifted to Fedora Core. Fedora Linux
would have softened
> > the blow.
>
> But, see, that's not even what we're talking about.
>

>
> So following Chris's logic, maybe we'd fill in values
as such:
>    X = Fedora 7 Linux
>    Y = Fedora 7 Linux Server
>    Z = Fedora 7 Linux Desktop
>
> And maybe I buy that for Y and Z... but not for X. 
Because people will
> say "I want Fedora Linux", and that's not
going to be a sufficient answer,
> because "Fedora Linux" will just be too
damned big.

Every other distribution does this so I really don't see the
problem.
Keep the regular name Fedora or Fedora Linux for the entire
distribution and the regular variant will be predefined
packages from
the Fedora repository and a special server edition if
warranted. I
don't see how Fedora is so different from Debian (which does
it this
way I believe), Opensuse, and Ubuntu, all community
distributions.

> Anyway.  Those are the issues as I see them.  Discuss. 



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On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Chris Negus sent out 0.6K bytes to say:
> Great! I was just hoping for Linux in the official
name. Separate
> distribution releases is good too.

Having `Linux` in the Name is a baaaaaaaaaad idea.

It gets the GNU guys on our *** to name it GNU/Linux

Just not happening guys :p

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On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Greg Dekoenigsberg sent out 2.3K bytes
to say:
> And maybe I buy that for Y and Z... but not for X. 
Because people will 
> say "I want Fedora Linux", and that's not
going to be a sufficient answer, 
> because "Fedora Linux" will just be too
damned big.

Why don't we drop the numbers all together?

We could name them:

Fedora Heibelberg
Fedora Champagne
Fedora Tettnang
Fedora Zod

Individual releases could be 
Fedora Zod-Server
Fedora gnome-Zod
Fedora KZod
Fedora XFZod
Fedora eZod

etc, etc...

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