Re: releasing source files

Thanks for your response Thuy. What about anyone esle - any
thoughts opn this?
  

Thuy <tnguyenangusjournal.com> wrote:
  Michele,

That's an interesting question. If you are freelance, you
count as your 
own business entity. Meaning, they should expect the same
from you as 
they would expect from hiring a fully staffed ad agency. If
it was in 
specifically in your contract to release all art work
sources, then yes, 
you are compelled to do so.

Otherwise, I would see it as just following the implied
protocol - you 
hold the intellectual property rights to the originals. At
that point, 
it's your decision to release the flas or not. (If you do, I
would 
charge for it, as it sounds like they plan on hiring someone
on the 
cheap to update it in the future).

I don't work freelance, but my company does do some Flash
work, and we 
keep the flas. If the client wants to go somewhere else,
they are free 
to take their swfs with them, but aught else.

Hope this helps,

Thuy Nguyen
Web Developer
Angus Journal
816.383.5228



Michele Richards wrote:
> As a relative new comer, I was jsut wondering what
> this group does as far as releasing flas to clients.
> If you work as a freelancer and not as a work for
> hire, do you release the flas to the client for good
> measure or do you hold onto it. As a designer, I have
> never released psds for example - the work the client
> owns is the work that goes on the site. But it seems
> that while clients don't expect to receive psds, they
> do expect to get the flas. Do you release them, charge
> more or what?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
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imho, unless you obfuscate the code in your swfs really
well, or your client 
has a pretty dumb 'replacement' developer, it doesn't make
much difference. 
Give me any swf you make, and I can extract all of the
assets and 
actionscript pretty easily, no fla needed.

Jimbo
http://jimbo.us
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michele Richards" <flash_richardsyahoo.com>
To: "Flashnewbie Mailing List" <flashnewbiechattyfig.figleaf.com>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Flashnewbie] releasing source files


> Thanks for your response Thuy. What about anyone esle -
any thoughts opn 
> this?
>
>
> Thuy <tnguyenangusjournal.com> wrote:
>  Michele,
>
> That's an interesting question. If you are freelance,
you count as your
> own business entity. Meaning, they should expect the
same from you as
> they would expect from hiring a fully staffed ad
agency. If it was in
> specifically in your contract to release all art work
sources, then yes,
> you are compelled to do so.
>
> Otherwise, I would see it as just following the implied
protocol - you
> hold the intellectual property rights to the originals.
At that point,
> it's your decision to release the flas or not. (If you
do, I would
> charge for it, as it sounds like they plan on hiring
someone on the
> cheap to update it in the future).
>
> I don't work freelance, but my company does do some
Flash work, and we
> keep the flas. If the client wants to go somewhere
else, they are free
> to take their swfs with them, but aught else.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Thuy Nguyen
> Web Developer
> Angus Journal
> 816.383.5228
>
>
>
> Michele Richards wrote:
>> As a relative new comer, I was jsut wondering what
>> this group does as far as releasing flas to
clients.
>> If you work as a freelancer and not as a work for
>> hire, do you release the flas to the client for
good
>> measure or do you hold onto it. As a designer, I
have
>> never released psds for example - the work the
client
>> owns is the work that goes on the site. But it
seems
>> that while clients don't expect to receive psds,
they
>> do expect to get the flas. Do you release them,
charge
>> more or what?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
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That has been discussed many times before, I would check the
archives,
but my experience is usually, they hire you because they
have no clue
how to do it themselves, and in a sense, they are paying for
the .fla.
But it doesn't do them a whole lot of good to try and modify
it
themselves.  Even if they pay someone else, that person
usually would
have a harder time modifying it, because they are unfamiliar
with it,
and if you have a good relationship with them, they should
come back to
you for the add-on work anyway.  Unless it's a huge project,
I wouldn't
worry about it.  

But of course the best thing to do is get everything in
writing and
signed off on first - that way there is no question later as
to who owns
what.  

Jason Merrill
Bank of America  
GT&O Learning & Leadership Development
eTools & Multimedia Team


 

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: flashnewbie-bounceschattyfig.figleaf.com 
>>[mailto:flashnewbie-bounceschattyfig.figleaf.com] On
Behalf 
>>Of Michele Richards
>>Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 1:05 PM
>>To: Flashnewbie Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Flashnewbie] releasing source files
>>
>>Thanks for your response Thuy. What about anyone
esle - any 
>>thoughts opn this?
>>  
>>
>>Thuy <tnguyenangusjournal.com>
wrote:
>>  Michele,
>>
>>That's an interesting question. If you are
freelance, you 
>>count as your own business entity. Meaning, they
should 
>>expect the same from you as they would expect from
hiring a 
>>fully staffed ad agency. If it was in specifically
in your 
>>contract to release all art work sources, then yes,
you are 
>>compelled to do so.
>>
>>Otherwise, I would see it as just following the
implied 
>>protocol - you hold the intellectual property rights
to the 
>>originals. At that point, it's your decision to
release the 
>>flas or not. (If you do, I would charge for it, as
it sounds 
>>like they plan on hiring someone on the cheap to
update it in 
>>the future).
>>
>>I don't work freelance, but my company does do some
Flash 
>>work, and we keep the flas. If the client wants to
go 
>>somewhere else, they are free to take their swfs
with them, 
>>but aught else.
>>
>>Hope this helps,
>>
>>Thuy Nguyen
>>Web Developer
>>Angus Journal
>>816.383.5228
>>
>>
>>
>>Michele Richards wrote:
>>> As a relative new comer, I was jsut wondering
what this 
>>group does as 
>>> far as releasing flas to clients.
>>> If you work as a freelancer and not as a work
for hire, do 
>>you release 
>>> the flas to the client for good measure or do
you hold onto 
>>it. As a 
>>> designer, I have never released psds for
example - the work 
>>the client 
>>> owns is the work that goes on the site. But it
seems that while 
>>> clients don't expect to receive psds, they do
expect to get 
>>the flas. 
>>> Do you release them, charge more or what?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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>>> ______________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible
to please? 
>>Perfect. Join 
>>> Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. 
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sp?a=7
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