Multi word tags

 From a purely non-technical standpoint multi-word tagging
is a  
natural way for users to interact with content and media. 
The point  
is that semantics matter, fundamentally, in how we deal
with,  
categorize, organize and retrieve information.

I think i've come to recognize this in tagging flickr photos
more than  
anywhere, but there is huge value to me to have it
implemented  
wherever possible, and where it isn't, to convert
automatically to  
single word tags.

So, i have to agree with Chris fpr no other reason that
adding multi- 
word tags in all possible areas extends the semantic
capabilities of  
the web and Imho extends its accessibility as a
consequence.

Huge value of exactly the type of thing Flock is taking a
leadership  
role on.

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I was asked to provide some specific ideas towards an
implementation,
so I'll offer some.

First, I think that Yojimbo and Mail.app have the best user
interface
in terms of tagging. You start typing, you can hit space,
and it's not
until you hit comma or enter that you "close" your
tag and start a new
one. Navigating around tags is fairly easy with arrow keys.
Autocomplete is always present and super useful as well.

Second, Terrell Russell wrote up Flickr's approach to this
problem,
maintaining both raw and clean tags through a normalization
process:

http://weblog.terrellrussell.
com/2007/06/clean-and-store-your-raw-tags-like-flickr/

I think he describes the algorithm pretty well; keeping both
sets
allows you to always show what someone typed in, but keep
the raw
version means that you have a consistent way of reducing
tags to a
unique, simplified form.

When it comes to sending tags to a remote web service, it
simply
requires you specifying whether the protocol accepts
"raw" or "clean"
tags, and you're done.

All in all, this seems pretty straightforward.

Chris

On 10/17/07, Dave Ritchie <daveritchie02mac.com> wrote:
>  From a purely non-technical standpoint multi-word
tagging is a
> natural way for users to interact with content and
media.  The point
> is that semantics matter, fundamentally, in how we deal
with,
> categorize, organize and retrieve information.
>
> I think i've come to recognize this in tagging flickr
photos more than
> anywhere, but there is huge value to me to have it
implemented
> wherever possible, and where it isn't, to convert
automatically to
> single word tags.
>
> So, i have to agree with Chris fpr no other reason that
adding multi-
> word tags in all possible areas extends the semantic
capabilities of
> the web and Imho extends its accessibility as a
consequence.
>
> Huge value of exactly the type of thing Flock is taking
a leadership
> role on.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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I really appreciate the feedback. I don't see a huge
challenge here,
especially if we are to simply enhance the existing tagging
facilities.  Mr
Messina, can you comment on the proposed implementation?  Do
we break
multiword tags into separate single-word tags when destined
for services
without multi-word support?

thanks

  Clayton

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Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 5:28 PM
To: flockstarsflock.com
Subject: [Flockstars] Multi word tags

 From a purely non-technical standpoint multi-word tagging
is a  
natural way for users to interact with content and media. 
The point  
is that semantics matter, fundamentally, in how we deal
with,  
categorize, organize and retrieve information.

I think i've come to recognize this in tagging flickr photos
more than  
anywhere, but there is huge value to me to have it
implemented  
wherever possible, and where it isn't, to convert
automatically to  
single word tags.

So, i have to agree with Chris fpr no other reason that
adding multi- 
word tags in all possible areas extends the semantic
capabilities of  
the web and Imho extends its accessibility as a
consequence.

Huge value of exactly the type of thing Flock is taking a
leadership  
role on.

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Got it, thanks.  I'll let y'all know how this shakes out
into 1.x planning.

  Clayton

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Behalf Of Chris Messina
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 5:45 PM
To: Flock community
Subject: Re: [Flockstars] Multi word tags

I was asked to provide some specific ideas towards an
implementation,
so I'll offer some.

First, I think that Yojimbo and Mail.app have the best user
interface
in terms of tagging. You start typing, you can hit space,
and it's not
until you hit comma or enter that you "close" your
tag and start a new
one. Navigating around tags is fairly easy with arrow keys.
Autocomplete is always present and super useful as well.

Second, Terrell Russell wrote up Flickr's approach to this
problem,
maintaining both raw and clean tags through a normalization
process:

http://weblog.terrellrussell.com/200
7/06/clean-and-store-your-raw-tags-like-
flickr/

I think he describes the algorithm pretty well; keeping both
sets
allows you to always show what someone typed in, but keep
the raw
version means that you have a consistent way of reducing
tags to a
unique, simplified form.

When it comes to sending tags to a remote web service, it
simply
requires you specifying whether the protocol accepts
"raw" or "clean"
tags, and you're done.

All in all, this seems pretty straightforward.

Chris

On 10/17/07, Dave Ritchie <daveritchie02mac.com> wrote:
>  From a purely non-technical standpoint multi-word
tagging is a
> natural way for users to interact with content and
media.  The point
> is that semantics matter, fundamentally, in how we deal
with,
> categorize, organize and retrieve information.
>
> I think i've come to recognize this in tagging flickr
photos more than
> anywhere, but there is huge value to me to have it
implemented
> wherever possible, and where it isn't, to convert
automatically to
> single word tags.
>
> So, i have to agree with Chris fpr no other reason that
adding multi-
> word tags in all possible areas extends the semantic
capabilities of
> the web and Imho extends its accessibility as a
consequence.
>
> Huge value of exactly the type of thing Flock is taking
a leadership
> role on.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> _______________________________________________
> Flockstars mailing list
> Flockstarsflock.com
> h
ttps://lists.flock.com/mailman/listinfo/flockstars
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I'm not familiar with how Flock services currently handle
tagging
per-service, but I do know that many services require tags
in
different formats.

If Flock maintains "raw" and "clean"
tags, then you simply "flip a
switch" in the the service's profile to determine
whether you send the
clean or raw tags.

So, that's really a per-service/per-API setting.

I'd favor the multi-word tags over concatenated tags, simply
because
if people use concatenated tags, there's no effect to them
if you also
support multi-word tags (i.e. someone who imports tags from
delicious
into magnolia might continue single-word tagging while
everyone else
multi-word tags... that doesn't change things for other
people; if,
OTOH, you import my magnolia tags into delicious and
concatenate them
inside of Flock, I'm going to pretty upset at the perceived
loss of
data).

Chris

On 10/17/07, Clayton Stark <claytonflock.com> wrote:
> I really appreciate the feedback. I don't see a huge
challenge here,
> especially if we are to simply enhance the existing
tagging facilities.  Mr
> Messina, can you comment on the proposed
implementation?  Do we break
> multiword tags into separate single-word tags when
destined for services
> without multi-word support?
>
> thanks
>
>   Clayton
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: flockstars-bouncesflock.com
[mailto:flockstars-bouncesflock.com] On
> Behalf Of Dave Ritchie
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 5:28 PM
> To: flockstarsflock.com
> Subject: [Flockstars] Multi word tags
>
>  From a purely non-technical standpoint multi-word
tagging is a
> natural way for users to interact with content and
media.  The point
> is that semantics matter, fundamentally, in how we deal
with,
> categorize, organize and retrieve information.
>
> I think i've come to recognize this in tagging flickr
photos more than
> anywhere, but there is huge value to me to have it
implemented
> wherever possible, and where it isn't, to convert
automatically to
> single word tags.
>
> So, i have to agree with Chris fpr no other reason that
adding multi-
> word tags in all possible areas extends the semantic
capabilities of
> the web and Imho extends its accessibility as a
consequence.
>
> Huge value of exactly the type of thing Flock is taking
a leadership
> role on.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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