History/bookmarks preview (and some craziness)

Hello everybody,

I was sitting here reading the wiki[1] and just remembered
that
thumbnailing for websites is a feature request getting
rotten[2].
Now, I also read suggestions to use the f-spot navigation
widget[3]
which I think is total crack and would make Ephy so BLING
BLING that
it would easily become a killer app.

I thought a little about it so I wouldn't write crack stuff
that is
impossible, and found that using that widget (together with
the actual
image browsing one, I mean the one where this slider takes
effect)
would be easy.
<innocent-guess>
Since f-spot is an image app and this two widgets (browsing
slider and
view pane) are image-centric we can easily embrace them just
by
providing what they want: images. How? with some good ol'
copy-paste
from gnome-web-photo, of course there would be a lot of
crack needed
to make f-spot magic work on Ephy.
</innocent-guess>

As far as I can see the consequences of this, hacking it
would imply
the following:
1. Integrating bookmarks and history
2. Integrating gnome-web-photo or at least copy-paste the
relevant parts
3. Create a new window/widget based on f-spot that can be
fed with a
set of images (as in f-spot) obtained from a bookmarks or
history
items range/set.
  3½. Document it! (or maybe make it available to other
apps and not just Ephy)
4. Ask a mad amount of questions to everyone
5. Enjoy success

So the reason to write this to the list is to hear some
opinions about
how can this be done and to receive some tips. I would
gladly get into
this, and if someone wants to "mentor" me I would
be twice glad .

Opinions of the Ephy gurus will be appreciated.

End of crack, get back to your normal mailing.

References:
1 - http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/BookmarksHistoryIntegra
tion
2 - http
://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326508
3 - http://live.gnome
.org/data/Epiphany(2f)BookmarksHistoryIntegration/attach
ments/fspot-time-bar.png

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Hey,

On 12/11/06, Diego Escalante <diegoaureal.com.pe> wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> I was sitting here reading the wiki[1] and just
remembered that
> thumbnailing for websites is a feature request getting
rotten[2].
> Now, I also read suggestions to use the f-spot
navigation widget[3]
> which I think is total crack and would make Ephy so
BLING BLING that
> it would easily become a killer app.
>
> I thought a little about it so I wouldn't write crack
stuff that is
> impossible, and found that using that widget (together
with the actual
> image browsing one, I mean the one where this slider
takes effect)
> would be easy.

So I understand that both widgets are written in C and not
in C#? Nice.

> <innocent-guess>
> Since f-spot is an image app and this two widgets
(browsing slider and
> view pane) are image-centric we can easily embrace them
just by
> providing what they want: images. How? with some good
ol' copy-paste
> from gnome-web-photo, of course there would be a lot of
crack needed
> to make f-spot magic work on Ephy.
> </innocent-guess>
>
> As far as I can see the consequences of this, hacking
it would imply
> the following:
> 1. Integrating bookmarks and history
> 2. Integrating gnome-web-photo or at least copy-paste
the relevant parts
> 3. Create a new window/widget based on f-spot that can
be fed with a
> set of images (as in f-spot) obtained from a bookmarks
or history
> items range/set.
>   3½. Document it! (or maybe make it available to other
apps and not just Ephy)
> 4. Ask a mad amount of questions to everyone
> 5. Enjoy success
>

IMHO the really hard part is (1). If there's really the will
to do it
I think we should take it into consideration together with
the plan to
move towards a sqlite/ephy-data-server model and try to get
everything
together for 2.20. I mean, if we are going to do crack,
let's do it
properly 

> So the reason to write this to the list is to hear some
opinions about
> how can this be done and to receive some tips. I would
gladly get into
> this, and if someone wants to "mentor" me I
would be twice glad .
>
> Opinions of the Ephy gurus will be appreciated.
>
> End of crack, get back to your normal mailing.
>
> References:
> 1 - http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/BookmarksHistoryIntegra
tion
> 2 - http
://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326508
> 3 - http://live.gnome
.org/data/Epiphany(2f)BookmarksHistoryIntegration/attach
ments/fspot-time-bar.png
>
> --
> Diego, your crack-feature suggester.
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Hello,

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 04:32:13AM -0500, Diego Escalante
wrote:
> Hello everybody,
> 
> I was sitting here reading the wiki[1] and just
remembered that
> thumbnailing for websites is a feature request getting
rotten[2].
> Now, I also read suggestions to use the f-spot
navigation widget[3]
> which I think is total crack and would make Ephy so
BLING BLING that
> it would easily become a killer app.

Just a general question about all this: How much overhead
would this
add? I think that this could be a neat feature, but I worry
that this
might possibly make memory usage go up considerably, which
is a Bad
Thing(TM) if there does not exist an option to turn this
feature
on/off. As it stands, one of the main things I like about
Epiphany is
its minimalism, and this would be a feature that would take
away from
that a bit.

Don't get me wrong, I would probably use the feature (at
least on my
desktop) since I don't really have a memory issue, but I
think it
would be good to keep up on the lower memory usage in
Epiphany versus
Firefox (Disclaimer: The last statement is based only on
personal
experience... I haven't really seen any real data on this).

-- 
Michael V. De Palatis
Georgia Institute of Technology
School of Physics
837 State Street
Atlanta, GA 30332-0430

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Xan Lopez wrote:

>> As far as I can see the consequences of this,
hacking it would imply
>> the following:
>> 1. Integrating bookmarks and history
>> 2. Integrating gnome-web-photo or at least
copy-paste the relevant parts
>> 3. Create a new window/widget based on f-spot that
can be fed with a
>> set of images (as in f-spot) obtained from a
bookmarks or history
>> items range/set.
>>   3½. Document it! (or maybe make it available to
other apps and not just Ephy)
>> 4. Ask a mad amount of questions to everyone
>> 5. Enjoy success
>>
> 
> IMHO the really hard part is (1). If there's really the
will to do it
> I think we should take it into consideration together
with the plan to
> move towards a sqlite/ephy-data-server model and try to
get everything
> together for 2.20. I mean, if we are going to do crack,
let's do it
> properly 
> 

(1) is easy enough to do with Tracker (which is already
similiar to EDS 
and is an sqlite/Dbus daemon) but it requires tracker to get
into Gnome 
2.18 either as a package or as a dependency before we can
use it in 
epiphany. We wont know the outcome of that until end of
January so yeah 
2.20 would be the earliest. (Tracker can be used a stand
alone metadata 
server without any indexing so it wont conflict with those
that dont 
want an indexer or those that prefer to use Beagle for
indexing)

(3) tracker can provide the stats/data for such a widget.
Hopefully 
theres an existing graph widget from gnumeric that can be
adapted for 
this purpose (column chart?)


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Hi

On 12/11/06, Michael V. De Palatis <mvdgatech.edu> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 04:32:13AM -0500, Diego
Escalante wrote:
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > I was sitting here reading the wiki[1] and just
remembered that
> > thumbnailing for websites is a feature request
getting rotten[2].
> > Now, I also read suggestions to use the f-spot
navigation widget[3]
> > which I think is total crack and would make Ephy
so BLING BLING that
> > it would easily become a killer app.
>
> Just a general question about all this: How much
overhead would this
> add? I think that this could be a neat feature, but I
worry that this
> might possibly make memory usage go up considerably,
which is a Bad
> Thing(TM) if there does not exist an option to turn
this feature
> on/off. As it stands, one of the main things I like
about Epiphany is
> its minimalism, and this would be a feature that would
take away from
> that a bit.
>
Yes, turning it on/off would be as easy as selecting
"View>Thumbnails". This wouldn't be the
default, the default would be
"View>List".
So everybody is safe .

> Don't get me wrong, I would probably use the feature
(at least on my
> desktop) since I don't really have a memory issue, but
I think it
> would be good to keep up on the lower memory usage in
Epiphany versus
> Firefox (Disclaimer: The last statement is based only
on personal
> experience... I haven't really seen any real data on
this).
>
I agree with you, that's why I also agree on making this
non-default
so it's used by only crack people or for BLING BLING
demos/configs.
We shouldn't eat a lot of memory doing this, thumbnails
could be
created on demand and cached as favicons as cached now. That
way after
2 or 3 visits to history or bookmark manager, we would have
no need to
process anything except for sorting.
Now that I think about it, maybe this should be enabled only
for
history (where you need a hint sometimes) because bookmarks
are
already known to you.

> --
> Michael V. De Palatis
> Georgia Institute of Technology
> School of Physics
> 837 State Street
> Atlanta, GA 30332-0430
>
> mvd 'at' gatech [dot] edu
> http://mike.depalatis.net
>
>
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On Dec 12, 2006, at 1:53 AM, Jamie McCracken wrote:
>
> Xan Lopez wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I can see the consequences of this,
hacking it would imply
>>> the following:
>>> 1. Integrating bookmarks and history
>>> 2. Integrating gnome-web-photo or at least
copy-paste the relevant 
>>> parts
>>> 3. Create a new window/widget based on f-spot
that can be fed with a
>>> set of images (as in f-spot) obtained from a
bookmarks or history
>>> items range/set.
> ...
>> IMHO the really hard part is (1). If there's really
the will to do it
>> I think we should take it into consideration
together with the plan to
>> move towards a sqlite/ephy-data-server model and
try to get everything
>> together for 2.20. I mean, if we are going to do
crack, let's do it
>> properly 
>
> (1) is easy enough to do with Tracker (which is already
similiar to EDS
> and is an sqlite/Dbus daemon) but it requires tracker
to get into Gnome
> 2.18 either as a package or as a dependency before we
can use it in
> epiphany.
> ...

I think we may have run off into the weeds a bit here.
Surely it can't 
be necessary to (a) make a dependency on a photo management
tool, and 
(b) require Tracker in Gnome, *just to get thumbnails of Web
pages in 
Epiphany*? 

The Reveal extension for Firefox makes thumbnails of Web
pages in 
Firefox 1.5, without any such drastic dependencies.
<http://alumi
num.sourmilk.net/reveal/>

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On 12/19/06, Matthew Paul Thomas <mptmyrealbox.com> wrote:
> On Dec 12, 2006, at 1:53 AM, Jamie McCracken wrote:
> >
> > Xan Lopez wrote:
> >>
> >>> As far as I can see the consequences of
this, hacking it would imply
> >>> the following:
> >>> 1. Integrating bookmarks and history
> >>> 2. Integrating gnome-web-photo or at least
copy-paste the relevant
> >>> parts
> >>> 3. Create a new window/widget based on
f-spot that can be fed with a
> >>> set of images (as in f-spot) obtained from
a bookmarks or history
> >>> items range/set.
> > ...
> >> IMHO the really hard part is (1). If there's
really the will to do it
> >> I think we should take it into consideration
together with the plan to
> >> move towards a sqlite/ephy-data-server model
and try to get everything
> >> together for 2.20. I mean, if we are going to
do crack, let's do it
> >> properly 
> >
> > (1) is easy enough to do with Tracker (which is
already similiar to EDS
> > and is an sqlite/Dbus daemon) but it requires
tracker to get into Gnome
> > 2.18 either as a package or as a dependency before
we can use it in
> > epiphany.
> > ...
>
> I think we may have run off into the weeds a bit here.
Surely it can't
> be necessary to (a) make a dependency on a photo
management tool, and
> (b) require Tracker in Gnome, *just to get thumbnails
of Web pages in
> Epiphany*? 
>

The idea is to copy the widgets from f-spot, not depend on
f-spot. And
all the data-server/tracker ideas would be only buy us some
random
amount of advantages, but are not needed at all to get this
working.
Do you have any opinion about the whole thing btw? 

> The Reveal extension for Firefox makes thumbnails of
Web pages in
> Firefox 1.5, without any such drastic dependencies.
> <http://alumi
num.sourmilk.net/reveal/>
>
> Cheers
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Xan Lopez wrote:

>>> ...
>> I think we may have run off into the weeds a bit
here. Surely it can't
>> be necessary to (a) make a dependency on a photo
management tool, and
>> (b) require Tracker in Gnome, *just to get
thumbnails of Web pages in
>> Epiphany*? 
>>
> 
> The idea is to copy the widgets from f-spot, not depend
on f-spot. And
> all the data-server/tracker ideas would be only buy us
some random
> amount of advantages, but are not needed at all to get
this working.
> Do you have any opinion about the whole thing btw? 

AFAIK, the widget in f-spot is in c# so we cant use it
directly (in c code)

It should be pretty simple to adapt the gnumeric chart
widget to create 
a similiar c based widget - I am sure it will be very handy
to have this 
for other apps too (like GThumb and maybe Nautilus). If I
have time over 
XMAS I might look into this.

As for the bookmarks/history, You dont need tracker to get
it working 
but it would be a lot less work as tracker is already an
extensible 
metadata server and first class object database. If it gets
adopted by 
Gnome then it would make sense for Epiphany to use it.

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On Dec 20, 2006, at 2:26 AM, Xan Lopez wrote:
> ...
> Do you have any opinion about the whole thing btw? 
> ...

As you and Christian may remember, I have long advocated
using 
thumbnails instead of Back and Forward buttons. 

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I would prefer that the menu that appears when clicking the
"V" next
to the arrow would be a little thumbnail and the title...
but... that
could be bloat (could).

Can you explain your idea, I think I have missed it.

On 12/19/06, Matthew Paul Thomas <mptmyrealbox.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 2006, at 2:26 AM, Xan Lopez wrote:
> > ...
> > Do you have any opinion about the whole thing btw?

> > ...
>
> As you and Christian may remember, I have long
advocated using
> thumbnails instead of Back and Forward buttons. 
>
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