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| CDROM-Artwork (5) |

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2006-10-10 19:42:19 |
Hi Remko,
no, you are not nagging Feedback
is always welcome, and thanks for
pointing at this important issue.
I don't agree with you fully, since I didn't USE the
trademarks; I only
REFERRED to them. USING them would require a license;
REFERRING to them
is free (disturbingly, REFERRING to a trademark -- in
contrast of USING
it -- is called "fair use" in anglo-american law,
which is pretty silly
since it is no "use"). If you REFER to a trademark
you may spell it
differently (e.g. "Unix" in stead of
"UNIX"), as long as you don't
degrade or disparage it. Even using the funny symbols (R)
and (TM) is
not mandatory, as long as the context makes clear that you
don't claim
the trademark to be your own or to be free.
But -- and now comes the important part -- we do use the (R)
symbol for
"FreeBSD" itself. Not using it for the other
trademarks in this context
might be misunderstood in claiming that they are free. THAT
could bring
us into heavy trouble, so I think it's a good idea to place
a (R) resp.
(TM) beneath the respecitve name. If we do THAT we should
spell the
trademarks correctly, because with (R) resp. (TM) we
indicate that the
actually used term is legally protected; and THIS is only
right for the
correctly spelled trademark.
So, in the end, if nobody as another advice, I will modify
the
processor-architecture trademarks to the "correct"
spelling and add a
(R) resp. (TM). The aesthetic result doesn't make me happy,
but Remko is
right I fear.
Best regards,
Peer
BTW: what about the FreeBSD website? Is there a specific
"trademark
policy"? (not about "FreeBSD"[TM] itself but
about the cited trademarks?)
> Hello Peer,
>
> You are doing a great job, so first of all a big thank
you.
>
> I read/looked at the images and they are great, but
ofcourse i am the
> nagging user and wanted
to say, please look at the trademarks etc
> for AMD64 for example, i think it is written uppercase
and it might use
> a AMD64[tm] or something from the AMD company. It
could give you a lot
> of problems if there are registered trademarks and you
do not use them
> (which is sad, but reality :( ).
>
> Apart from that: GREAT keep it up!
>
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| CDROM-Artwork (5) |

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2006-10-11 17:51:54 |
So, I did a little research (FreeBSD handbook, Google,
Wikipedia).
If I am not wrong, Alpha, AMD64, IA-64 and PC-98x1 are no
trademarks at
all (somehow surprising, especially for AMD64). i386 and
PowerPC are
trademarks or at least claimed as such (somehow questionable
for "i386"
'cause numbers alone can't be trademarked and the leading
"i" doesn't
make it a word). ARM, MIPS and UltraSPARC are registered
trademarks.
That leads me to this list:
Alpha
AMD64
ARM(R)
i386[TM]
IA-64
MIPS(R)
PC-98x1
PowerPC[TM]
UltraSPARC(R)
Any vetos?
Peer
> Hi Remko,
>
> no, you are not nagging Feedback
is always welcome, and thanks for
> pointing at this important issue.
>
> I don't agree with you fully, since I didn't USE the
trademarks; I
> only REFERRED to them. USING them would require a
license; REFERRING
> to them is free (disturbingly, REFERRING to a trademark
-- in contrast
> of USING it -- is called "fair use" in
anglo-american law, which is
> pretty silly since it is no "use"). If you
REFER to a trademark you
> may spell it differently (e.g. "Unix" in
stead of "UNIX"), as long as
> you don't degrade or disparage it. Even using the funny
symbols (R)
> and (TM) is not mandatory, as long as the context makes
clear that you
> don't claim the trademark to be your own or to be free.
>
> But -- and now comes the important part -- we do use
the (R) symbol
> for "FreeBSD" itself. Not using it for the
other trademarks in this
> context might be misunderstood in claiming that they
are free. THAT
> could bring us into heavy trouble, so I think it's a
good idea to
> place a (R) resp. (TM) beneath the respecitve name. If
we do THAT we
> should spell the trademarks correctly, because with (R)
resp. (TM) we
> indicate that the actually used term is legally
protected; and THIS is
> only right for the correctly spelled trademark.
>
> So, in the end, if nobody as another advice, I will
modify the
> processor-architecture trademarks to the
"correct" spelling and add a
> (R) resp. (TM). The aesthetic result doesn't make me
happy, but Remko
> is right I fear.
>
> Best regards,
> Peer
>
> BTW: what about the FreeBSD website? Is there a
specific "trademark
> policy"? (not about "FreeBSD"[TM] itself
but about the cited trademarks?)
>
>
>> Hello Peer,
>>
>> You are doing a great job, so first of all a big
thank you.
>>
>> I read/looked at the images and they are great, but
ofcourse i am the
>> nagging user and wanted
to say, please look at the trademarks etc
>> for AMD64 for example, i think it is written
uppercase and it might use
>> a AMD64[tm] or something from the AMD company. It
could give you a lot
>> of problems if there are registered trademarks and
you do not use them
>> (which is sad, but reality :( ).
>>
>> Apart from that: GREAT keep it up!
>>
>
>
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| CDROM-Artwork (5-b) |

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2006-10-13 08:38:27 |
I received no "vetos", so here is the modified
artwork (all in one: 27
high-quality 300dpi PNGs, 27 thumbnail-PNGs with 75dpi, and
the SVG-source):
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freeb
sd/FreeBSD-6.1-CDROM-artwork.tar.bz2
(be duly warned: 17MB download)
For a quick look here are some thumbnails:
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/files_list.html
(this URL is "secret"; no artwork is published by
me at this time)
Best regards,
Peer
> So, I did a little research (FreeBSD handbook, Google,
Wikipedia).
>
> If I am not wrong, Alpha, AMD64, IA-64 and PC-98x1 are
no trademarks
> at all (somehow surprising, especially for AMD64). i386
and PowerPC
> are trademarks or at least claimed as such (somehow
questionable for
> "i386" 'cause numbers alone can't be
trademarked and the leading "i"
> doesn't make it a word). ARM, MIPS and UltraSPARC are
registered
> trademarks.
>
> That leads me to this list:
> Alpha
> AMD64
> ARM(R)
> i386[TM]
> IA-64
> MIPS(R)
> PC-98x1
> PowerPC[TM]
> UltraSPARC(R)
>
> Any vetos?
>
> Peer
>
>
>> Hi Remko,
>>
>> no, you are not nagging Feedback
is always welcome, and thanks
>> for pointing at this important issue.
>>
>> I don't agree with you fully, since I didn't USE
the trademarks; I
>> only REFERRED to them. USING them would require a
license; REFERRING
>> to them is free (disturbingly, REFERRING to a
trademark -- in
>> contrast of USING it -- is called "fair
use" in anglo-american law,
>> which is pretty silly since it is no
"use"). If you REFER to a
>> trademark you may spell it differently (e.g.
"Unix" in stead of
>> "UNIX"), as long as you don't degrade or
disparage it. Even using the
>> funny symbols (R) and (TM) is not mandatory, as
long as the context
>> makes clear that you don't claim the trademark to
be your own or to
>> be free.
>>
>> But -- and now comes the important part -- we do
use the (R) symbol
>> for "FreeBSD" itself. Not using it for
the other trademarks in this
>> context might be misunderstood in claiming that
they are free. THAT
>> could bring us into heavy trouble, so I think it's
a good idea to
>> place a (R) resp. (TM) beneath the respecitve name.
If we do THAT we
>> should spell the trademarks correctly, because with
(R) resp. (TM) we
>> indicate that the actually used term is legally
protected; and THIS
>> is only right for the correctly spelled trademark.
>>
>> So, in the end, if nobody as another advice, I will
modify the
>> processor-architecture trademarks to the
"correct" spelling and add a
>> (R) resp. (TM). The aesthetic result doesn't make
me happy, but Remko
>> is right I fear.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Peer
>>
>> BTW: what about the FreeBSD website? Is there a
specific "trademark
>> policy"? (not about "FreeBSD"[TM]
itself but about the cited
>> trademarks?)
>>
>>
>>> Hello Peer,
>>>
>>> You are doing a great job, so first of all a
big thank you.
>>>
>>> I read/looked at the images and they are great,
but ofcourse i am the
>>> nagging user and wanted
to say, please look at the trademarks etc
>>> for AMD64 for example, i think it is written
uppercase and it might use
>>> a AMD64[tm] or something from the AMD company.
It could give you a lot
>>> of problems if there are registered trademarks
and you do not use them
>>> (which is sad, but reality :( ).
>>>
>>> Apart from that: GREAT keep it up!
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| CDROM-Artwork (5-b) |

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2006-10-13 09:19:26 |
Peer Schaefer <peer.schaefer hamburg.de> writes:
> For a quick look here are some thumbnails:
>
> http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/files_list.html
>
> (this URL is "secret"; no artwork is
published by me at this time)
This "secret" URL is now archived on hundreds of
web sites and indexed
by Google...
DES
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| CDROM-Artwork (5-b) |

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2006-10-13 09:50:48 |
This is not too easy...
In the past I received some complaints about posting long
lists of links
and was asked to provide a HTML (and thus keep my mailings
short). But
it seems that there is no consenus regarding these matters
in the
mailing-list (see Dag-Erlings posting below).
Anyway, I removed the HTML and provide -- once more -- a
long list of
links (see below), which will probably also show up at
Google, BTW, via
the mailing-list-archive (so I don't see the point in the
end). I also
would like to emphasize that I will remove all content in a
week or so.
It was not my intention to "publish" any artwork
that uses FreeBSD
trademarks and Anton Gurals artwork without due permission.
But there
has to be a way to share drafts with the community before I
petition the
webmaster to upload it to the FreeBSD-website.
Long story short:
The artwork is still here (high-quality 300dpi PNGs, 75dpi
thumbnail-PNGs, and SVG-source):
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freeb
sd/FreeBSD-6.1-CDROM-artwork.tar.bz2
(be duly warned: 17MB download)
For a quick look here are some thumbnails:
CDROM-Labels:
http://www.wolldingwacht.de
/foss/freebsd/x7Z93k22W/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_alpha_1of2.png
a>
http://www.wolldingwacht.de
/foss/freebsd/x7Z93k22W/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_alpha_2of2.png
a>
http://www.wolldingwacht.de
/foss/freebsd/x7Z93k22W/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_amd64_1of2.png
a>
http://www.wolldingwacht.de
/foss/freebsd/x7Z93k22W/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_amd64_2of2.png
a>
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/fo
ss/freebsd/x7Z93k22W/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_generic.png
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/
foss/freebsd/x7Z93k22W/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_i386_1of2.png
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/
foss/freebsd/x7Z93k22W/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_i386_2of2.png
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/
foss/freebsd/x7Z93k22W/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_ia64_1of2.png
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/
foss/freebsd/x7Z93k22W/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_ia64_2of2.png
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/f
oss/freebsd/x7Z93k22W/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_ppc_1of2.png
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/f
oss/freebsd/x7Z93k22W/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_ppc_2of2.png
http://www.wolldingwacht.
de/foss/freebsd/x7Z93k22W/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_sparc64_1of2.p
ng
http://www.wolldingwacht.
de/foss/freebsd/x7Z93k22W/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_sparc64_2of2.p
ng
CDROM-Sleeves:
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/fos
s/freebsd/x7Z93k22W/CDROM-Sleeve_FreeBSD_alpha.png
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/fos
s/freebsd/x7Z93k22W/CDROM-Sleeve_FreeBSD_amd64.png
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/f
oss/freebsd/x7Z93k22W/CDROM-Sleeve_FreeBSD_generic.png
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss
/freebsd/x7Z93k22W/CDROM-Sleeve_FreeBSD_i386.png
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss
/freebsd/x7Z93k22W/CDROM-Sleeve_FreeBSD_ia64.png
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/
freebsd/x7Z93k22W/CDROM-Sleeve_FreeBSD_ppc.png
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/f
oss/freebsd/x7Z93k22W/CDROM-Sleeve_FreeBSD_sparc64.png
DVD-Cases:
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/fr
eebsd/x7Z93k22W/DVD-case_FreeBSD_alpha.png
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/fr
eebsd/x7Z93k22W/DVD-case_FreeBSD_amd64.png
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/
freebsd/x7Z93k22W/DVD-case_FreeBSD_generic.png
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/fre
ebsd/x7Z93k22W/DVD-case_FreeBSD_i386.png
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/fre
ebsd/x7Z93k22W/DVD-case_FreeBSD_ia64.png
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/free
bsd/x7Z93k22W/DVD-case_FreeBSD_ppc.png
http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/fr
eebsd/x7Z93k22W/DVD-case_FreeBSD_sparc.png
Best regards,
Peer
> Peer Schaefer <peer.schaefer hamburg.de> writes:
>
>> For a quick look here are some thumbnails:
>>
>> http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/files_list.html
>>
>> (this URL is "secret"; no artwork is
published by me at this time)
>>
>
> This "secret" URL is now archived on hundreds
of web sites and indexed
> by Google...
>
> DES
>
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| CDROM-Artwork (5-b) |

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2006-10-13 11:42:15 |
On 10/13/06 04:50, Peer Schaefer wrote:
> This is not too easy...
>
> In the past I received some complaints about posting
long lists of links
> and was asked to provide a HTML (and thus keep my
mailings short). But
> it seems that there is no consenus regarding these
matters in the
> mailing-list (see Dag-Erlings posting below).
>
> Anyway, I removed the HTML and provide -- once more --
a long list of
> links (see below), which will probably also show up at
Google, BTW, via
> the mailing-list-archive (so I don't see the point in
the end). I also
> would like to emphasize that I will remove all content
in a week or so.
>
> It was not my intention to "publish" any
artwork that uses FreeBSD
> trademarks and Anton Gurals artwork without due
permission. But there
> has to be a way to share drafts with the community
before I petition the
> webmaster to upload it to the FreeBSD-website.
>
> Long story short:
>
> The artwork is still here (high-quality 300dpi PNGs,
75dpi
> thumbnail-PNGs, and SVG-source):
>
> http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freeb
sd/FreeBSD-6.1-CDROM-artwork.tar.bz2
>
> (be duly warned: 17MB download)
>
> For a quick look here are some thumbnails:
These are really nice!!
Eric
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| CDROM-Artwork (5-b) |

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2006-10-13 12:29:15 |
Peer Schaefer <peer.schaefer hamburg.de> writes:
> It was not my intention to "publish" any
artwork that uses FreeBSD
> trademarks and Anton Gurals artwork without due
permission. But there
> has to be a way to share drafts with the community
before I petition
> the webmaster to upload it to the FreeBSD-website.
As I said in private email: as far as I know, your use of
these
trademarks is non-infringing. You may want to double-check
with
trademark freebsdfoundation.org, though.
DES
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| CDROM-Artwork (5-b) |

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2006-10-13 12:46:10 |
My intention is to give the copyright away to the FreeBSD
project and
let THEM publish the stuff on THEIR website. Since they
don't need a
permission from themselves, there will be no problem
But -- at the moment -- the "legal status" of my
artwork-project is
somehow questionable. It depends on whether you consider
sending drafts
to the mailing-list is a form of "publishing" or
not. But I would see no
use in asking the FreeBSD-foundation for formal approval of
each
different draft.
Peer
> Peer Schaefer <peer.schaefer hamburg.de> writes:
>
>> It was not my intention to "publish" any
artwork that uses FreeBSD
>> trademarks and Anton Gurals artwork without due
permission. But there
>> has to be a way to share drafts with the community
before I petition
>> the webmaster to upload it to the FreeBSD-website.
>>
>
> As I said in private email: as far as I know, your use
of these
> trademarks is non-infringing. You may want to
double-check with
> trademark freebsdfoundation.org, though.
>
> DES
>
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