allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign

Hi!

I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by
allBSD [1] today.
The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means
that the FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign.
However FreeBSD uses binary blobs (even includes them in the
source
tree), notably those provided by Atheros and NVIDIA.
Including third party code in the main tree of FreeBSD makes
the
project depend on the organization providing the software.
On top of that there is a big security concern. The FreeBSD
developers
have absolutely no idea about how well and how secure the
code provided
by these companies is written. Not later than October last
year a huge
security hole was discovered in NVIDIA blob drivers
permitting to
acquire root privileges [3].

Would it be possible to clarify the position of the project
regarding
proprietary drivers?


Best regards,
Jona

[1] http://www.allbsd.de/en/

[2] http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Post
er.jpg
[3] http://download2
.rapid7.com/r7-0025/

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Jona Joachim <walkingshadowgrummel.net> writes:
> I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led
by allBSD [1] today.
> The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means
that the
> FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign.

I don't see a FreeBSD logo there.  All I see is the BSD
daemon, which
is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives.  The FreeBSD
logo is here:
<URL:http://www.freeb
sd.org/logo.html>

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ON SAT, 17 MAR 2007 19:14:32 +0100
DESDES.NO (DAG-ERLING SMøRGRAV) WROTE:

> JONA JOACHIM <WALKINGSHADOWGRUMMEL.NET> WRITES:
> > I HEARD OF THE "STOP THE BLOB" CAMPAIGN
LED BY ALLBSD [1] TODAY.
> > THE FREEBSD LOGO IS USED IN THEIR FLYER [2] WHICH
MEANS THAT THE
> > FREEBSD PROJECT IS SUPPORTING THE CAMPAIGN.
> 
> I DON'T SEE A FREEBSD LOGO THERE.  ALL I SEE IS THE BSD
DAEMON, WHICH
> IS A COMMON MASCOT FOR ALL BSD DERIVATIVES.  THE
FREEBSD LOGO IS HERE:
> <URL:HTTP://WWW.FREEBSD.ORG/LOGO.HTML>

YOU HAVE TO SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM OF THE FLYER. I HOPE THIS
IS NOT TOO
MUCH OF AN EFFORT.
HTTP://MISC.ALLBSD.DE/KAMPAGNEN/NOBLOB/NOBLOB-EN-POSTER.JPG

JONA

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Jona Joachim <walkingshadowgrummel.net> writes:
> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <desdes.no> writes:
> > Jona Joachim <walkingshadowgrummel.net> writes:
> > > I heard of the "Stop the Blob"
campaign led by allBSD [1] today.
> > > The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2]
which means that the
> > > FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign.
> > I don't see a FreeBSD logo there.  All I see is
the BSD daemon,
> > which is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives. 
The FreeBSD
> > logo is here: <URL:http://www.freeb
sd.org/logo.html>
> You have to scroll to the bottom of the flyer. I hope
this is not
> too much of an effort.
> http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Post
er.jpg

OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD
will be
hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...

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Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
> Jona Joachim <walkingshadowgrummel.net> writes:
>> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <desdes.no> writes:
>>> Jona Joachim <walkingshadowgrummel.net> writes:
>>>> I heard of the "Stop the Blob"
campaign led by allBSD [1] today.
>>>> The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2]
which means that the
>>>> FreeBSD Project is supporting the
campaign.
>>> I don't see a FreeBSD logo there.  All I see is
the BSD daemon,
>>> which is a common mascot for all BSD
derivatives.  The FreeBSD
>>> logo is here: <URL:http://www.freeb
sd.org/logo.html>
>> You have to scroll to the bottom of the flyer. I
hope this is not
>> too much of an effort.
>> http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Post
er.jpg
> 
> OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect
AllBSD will be
> hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...
>

What this suppose to mean?
Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job!

> DES



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Jan Husar <jan.husarskosi.org> writes:
> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <desdes.no> writes:
> > OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect
AllBSD will be
> > hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...
> What this suppose to mean?  Allbsd is doing a pretty
awesome job!

No matter how good a job they do, they still have to follow
the law.

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Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
> Jan Husar <jan.husarskosi.org> writes:
>> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <desdes.no> writes:
>>> OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I
expect AllBSD will be
>>> hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's
lawyers...
>> What this suppose to mean?  Allbsd is doing a
pretty awesome job!
> 
> No matter how good a job they do, they still have to
follow the law.
> 

Definetly, but:

Over the years as I'm working as full time opensource
activist mostly 
involved with the community and government/educational
sector I must 
say, the main reason we are so effective and deployable is
we are able 
to cooperate over any communication method know to man.

Which means, if I see action somewhere benefiting us as a
whole, I'm 
going to support it, because in the end it does support and
help me and 
my projects.

If allbsd did something wrong, we should be able to discuss
is and 
possible fix or try to find a solution, not spaming about
lawyers.
As a community, we suffer enough, should we have some enemy
within and 
fight a guerilla warfare? When the BSD have enough problems
already?

Jan

> DES


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ON SAT, 17 MAR 2007 21:25:21 +0100
DESDES.NO (DAG-ERLING SMøRGRAV) WROTE:

> JONA JOACHIM <WALKINGSHADOWGRUMMEL.NET> WRITES:
> > DAG-ERLING SMøRGRAV <DESDES.NO> WRITES:
> > > JONA JOACHIM <WALKINGSHADOWGRUMMEL.NET> WRITES:
> > > > I HEARD OF THE "STOP THE BLOB"
CAMPAIGN LED BY ALLBSD [1] TODAY.
> > > > THE FREEBSD LOGO IS USED IN THEIR FLYER
[2] WHICH MEANS THAT THE
> > > > FREEBSD PROJECT IS SUPPORTING THE
CAMPAIGN.
> > > I DON'T SEE A FREEBSD LOGO THERE.  ALL I SEE
IS THE BSD DAEMON,
> > > WHICH IS A COMMON MASCOT FOR ALL BSD
DERIVATIVES.  THE FREEBSD
> > > LOGO IS HERE:
<URL:HTTP://WWW.FREEBSD.ORG/LOGO.HTML>
> > YOU HAVE TO SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM OF THE FLYER. I
HOPE THIS IS NOT
> > TOO MUCH OF AN EFFORT.
> >
HTTP://MISC.ALLBSD.DE/KAMPAGNEN/NOBLOB/NOBLOB-EN-POSTER.JPG
> 
> OK.  THAT'S A CLEAR TRADEMARK VIOLATION.  I EXPECT
ALLBSD WILL BE
> HEARING FROM THE FREEBSD FOUNDATION'S LAWYERS...

DOES THIS MEAN THAT THE FREEBSD PROJECT LEADERS DIDN'T KNOW
THAT OUR
LOGO WAS USED FOR THIS CAMPAIGN?
DOES THIS MEAN THAT THE FREEBSD PROJECT ENCOURAGES BLOBS?

JONA


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Jona Joachim <walkingshadowgrummel.net> writes:
> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <desdes.no> writes:
> > OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect
AllBSD will be
> > hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...
> Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project leaders didn't
know that our
> logo was used for this campaign?
> Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project encourages
blobs?

It means that the matter is now in the hands of those who
are
qualified to handle it.

As for the FreeBSD Project's stance on closed-source
drivers, I will
let the source tree speak for itself:

desdwp ~% find /sys/contrib -name *.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/nve/amd64/nvenetlib.o.bz2.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/nve/i386/nvenetlib.o.bz2.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/oltr/i386-elf.trlld.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/arm9-le-thumb-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/armv4-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/armv4-le-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/i386-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips-le-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips1-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips1-le-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mipsisa32-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mipsisa32-le-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/powerpc-be-eabi.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/powerpc-le-eabi.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/sh4-le-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/x86_64-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/xscale-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/xscale-le-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/alpha-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/powerpc-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/sparc64-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap30.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap43.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap51.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap61.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/sparc-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3-i.fw.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3-p.fw.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3.fw.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/iwi/ipw2200-bss.fw.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/iwi/ipw2200-ibss.fw.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/iwi/ipw2200-sniffer.fw.uu

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ON SAT, 17 MAR 2007 21:47:46 +0100
DESDES.NO (DAG-ERLING SMøRGRAV) WROTE:

> JAN HUSAR <JAN.HUSARSKOSI.ORG> WRITES:
> > DAG-ERLING SMøRGRAV <DESDES.NO> WRITES:
> > > OK.  THAT'S A CLEAR TRADEMARK VIOLATION.  I
EXPECT ALLBSD WILL BE
> > > HEARING FROM THE FREEBSD FOUNDATION'S
LAWYERS...
> > WHAT THIS SUPPOSE TO MEAN?  ALLBSD IS DOING A
PRETTY AWESOME JOB!
> 
> NO MATTER HOW GOOD A JOB THEY DO, THEY STILL HAVE TO
FOLLOW THE LAW.

WHAT MAKES YOU SAY THEY VIOLATED THE LAW? I'M QUITE SURE
SOME PEOPLE OF
THE FREEBSD FOUNDATION WERE SHOWN THIS BEFORE IT WAS MADE
PUBLIC.

JONA

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