Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

Thanks. I'll drop him a line.
Victor

On Dec 31, 2007 1:24 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman
<aryeh.friedmangmail.com> wrote:

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> Victor Subervi wrote:
> > Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project.
It appears that no
> > one has yet done anything substantial in open
source for
> > translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry.
Go figure. Sounds
> > like C++ is the way to go. Now, getting back on
topic 
I know
> > that one has to install all sorts of s/w and
rebuild the kernel for
> > working with Java. Is that true of C++ as well? Or
is it like C,
> > native to FBSD?
>
> If your talking natural langs then Henry Pjiffers
> (henry.pjiffersgmail.com) has done a fair amount of
work... even
> though he might attempt to sell you on
"enhanced" open-source  [I
> would also do this if I had done work in the
translation area... he is
> the other 1/3 of the licensing model I have mentioned a
few times on
> the lists]
>
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Victor Subervi wrote:
> Thanks. I'll drop him a line.

Forgot to mention that as far I know it is straight Java
also.   As a
side note to those who are knocking Java a few things need
to be
dismistified:

    I don't know if I am the exception but I know a fair
number of
people who have switched from c/c++ to Java (like me)...
most of my
carrer (and still do) is writting high performence code
(largely via
custom alogrithems instead of hand optimization) and have
had zero
issue with Java in this issue (except for the slow startup
time for
the jvm).  Matter one of my projects is a Java-->native
compiler which
I eventually plan to base an OS around.

> Victor
>
> On Dec 31, 2007 1:24 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman
> <aryeh.friedmangmail.com> wrote:
>
> Victor Subervi wrote:
>>>> Thanks for the comments. It's a serious
project. It appears
>>>> that no one has yet done anything
substantial in open source
>>>> for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr
industry. Go
>>>> figure. Sounds like C++ is the way to go.
Now, getting back
>>>> on topic  I know
that one has to install all sorts of s/w
>>>> and rebuild the kernel for working with
Java. Is that true of
>>>> C++ as well? Or is it like C, native to
FBSD?
> If your talking natural langs then Henry Pjiffers
> (henry.pjiffersgmail.com) has done a fair amount of
work... even
> though he might attempt to sell you on
"enhanced" open-source 
> [I would also do this if I had done work in the
translation area...
> he is the other 1/3 of the licensing model I have
mentioned a few
> times on the lists]
>
>>
>>

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Hmm. Why did you switch to Java? Also, that email address
for Henry bounced
:-} Could you check it?
TIA,
Victor

On Dec 31, 2007 1:31 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman
<aryeh.friedmangmail.com> wrote:

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> Victor Subervi wrote:
> > Thanks. I'll drop him a line.
>
> Forgot to mention that as far I know it is straight
Java also.   As a
> side note to those who are knocking Java a few things
need to be
> dismistified:
>
>    I don't know if I am the exception but I know a fair
number of
> people who have switched from c/c++ to Java (like
me)... most of my
> carrer (and still do) is writting high performence code
(largely via
> custom alogrithems instead of hand optimization) and
have had zero
> issue with Java in this issue (except for the slow
startup time for
> the jvm).  Matter one of my projects is a
Java-->native compiler which
> I eventually plan to base an OS around.
>
> > Victor
> >
> > On Dec 31, 2007 1:24 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman
> > <aryeh.friedmangmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Victor Subervi wrote:
> >>>> Thanks for the comments. It's a
serious project. It appears
> >>>> that no one has yet done anything
substantial in open source
> >>>> for translation, which is a $12
billion/yr industry. Go
> >>>> figure. Sounds like C++ is the way to
go. Now, getting back
> >>>> on topic  I know
that one has to install all sorts of s/w
> >>>> and rebuild the kernel for working
with Java. Is that true of
> >>>> C++ as well? Or is it like C, native
to FBSD?
> > If your talking natural langs then Henry Pjiffers
> > (henry.pjiffersgmail.com) has done a fair
amount of work... even
> > though he might attempt to sell you on
"enhanced" open-source 
> > [I would also do this if I had done work in the
translation area...
> > he is the other 1/3 of the licensing model I have
mentioned a few
> > times on the lists]
> >
> >>
> >>
>
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> http://www.flosoft-sys
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On 11:57:01 Dec 31, Victor Subervi wrote:
> Hi;
> Way OT here...but don't know where else to ask ;)

I don't think so.

> I'm considering starting an open source project for
language translation.
> Initially, I'll write this in python (with both MySQL
and OpenLDAP for
> different needs). But the processing will be heavy
duty, so I need to look
> toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :(
I'm thinking Java's
> probably my best bet, just because there are more Java
programmers out there
> than any other language (I think). But what about C++
or C#? Your comments
> would be appreciated.

I am yet to find something that C cannot do.

I just finished creating the web interface for my firewall
product in C. 
(I don't mean the interface,but the interface backend)

The inteface will be in jQuery of course. No two ways about
it.
(http://jquery.com )

I have  coded support for unlimited UNDO/REDO/BACK/FORWARD
(time
travel), support for concurrent processing, high
performance, crash
recovery and avoided the flaws of on the fly file reading in
CGI/Ajax
programming.

I used a combo of UNIX domain sockets, daemon(3),poll(2),
sophisticated linked
lists with queue(3) macros, even object oriented programming
all in C.

Wondering how to do OO in C?

Look at GTK.  You can embed function pointers in structures
right? And
create a linked list? What more do you need for OO?

Forget protection , encapsulation and all that marketing
bullshit.

We have code that works and that is what counts.
Performance? Can you
ever match C?

This is a highly sensitive topic in which passions run
high.

So I don't plan to create a flame war in this beautiful New
Year eve.;)

Hope this helps.

Wish you the very best in your project and may God bless you
with every
success!

Happy 2008!

-Girish
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Victor Subervi wrote:
> Hmm. Why did you switch to Java?

Rich system API, everything inherits from Object (helps in
many
situations), the relization that 99% of time I was using
ptrs it was
only to keep a ref to some struct in RAM (the only time I
have ever
found a use for them is when for some hardware reason you
*MUST*
address a specific address in RAM) for low level work you
can turn the
GC off via a non-JVM compilor, etc. Basically it lets me not
worry
about low level details that are pure book keeping vs. some
performence/functionality gain

Also, that email address for Henry bounced

henry.pijffersgmail.com
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Yeah, this is what happens when some ding-a-ling asks a wide
open
emotionally sensitive question on an issue he knows nothing
about LOL. Do it
all in C? Interesting. Much easier, much more support from
the community.
Will look into it. Is jquery installed server-side?
TIA,
Victor

On Dec 31, 2007 1:41 PM, Robert Huff <roberthuffrcn.com> wrote:

>
> Hello:
>
> >  Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project.
It appears that
> >  no one has yet done anything substantial in open
source for
> >  translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry.
>
>        I don't have the original post, but if you're
talking about
> translating between human languages ... are you aware
of OmegaT?
> ("http://sourceforge.net/projects/omegat&qu
ot;/"www.omegat.org")
>
>
>
>                                Robert Huff
>
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Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
> Victor Subervi wrote:
>> Hmm. Why did you switch to Java?
>
> Rich system API, everything inherits from Object (helps
in many
> situations), the relization that 99% of time I was
using ptrs it
> was only to keep a ref to some struct in RAM (the only
time I have
> ever found a use for them is when for some hardware
reason you
> *MUST* address a specific address in RAM) for low level
work you
> can turn the GC off via a non-JVM compilor, etc.
Basically it lets
> me not worry about low level details that are pure book
keeping vs.
> some performence/functionality gain

Forgot to mention reflection which makes certain things
possible (not
just easier)... for example the aMock product I make would
be
impossible without reflection and even thisTest would be
significantly
harder to use without it.

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Thanks for both 
Victor

On Dec 31, 2007 1:50 PM, Victor Subervi
<victorsubervigmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, this is what happens when some ding-a-ling asks a
wide open
> emotionally sensitive question on an issue he knows
nothing about LOL. Do it
> all in C? Interesting. Much easier, much more support
from the community.
> Will look into it. Is jquery installed server-side?
> TIA,
> Victor
>
> On Dec 31, 2007 1:41 PM, Robert Huff <roberthuffrcn.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello:
> >
> > >  Thanks for the comments. It's a serious
project. It appears that
> > >  no one has yet done anything substantial in
open source for
> > >  translation, which is a $12 billion/yr
industry.
> >
> >        I don't have the original post, but if
you're talking about
> > translating between human languages ... are you
aware of OmegaT?
> > (" http://sourceforge.net/projects/omegat&qu
ot;/"www.omegat.org")
> >
> >
> >
> >                                Robert Huff
> >
>
>
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:04:07 -0400
"Victor Subervi" <victorsubervigmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It
appears that no
> one has yet done anything substantial in open source
for translation,
> which is a $12 billion/yr industry.

If I were you, I'd look into what languages the industry is
using.
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RW wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:04:07 -0400 "Victor
Subervi"
> <victorsubervigmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It
appears that
>> no one has yet done anything substantial in open
source for
>> translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry.
>
> If I were you, I'd look into what languages the
industry is using.

C and Java.

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