IMAP quandry... .

	People,

	Sometime yesterday, problems with sending out mail began 
	happening.  I am not sure how my IMAP passwd could have
been
	altered.   But it is.

	I first saw this is using mutt from my "desktop"
(tao) to my
	mailserver, (aristotle).  On to, in ~/.mutt/muttrc is:



set mbox_type=Maildir
set mask="!^\.[^.]"
set mbox="~/Maildir"
set record="imaps://aristotle.thought.org/INBOX/.Mutt
Sent Items"
set copy=yes
set
postponed="imaps://aristotle.thought.org/.Drafts"
set spoolfile=imaps://aristotle.thought.org/INBOX
set folder=imaps://aristotle.thought.org
set imap_user=kline
set imap_pass=XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
set use_domain=yes
set duplicate_threads=yes
set realname="Gary Kline"
set from=klinethought.org
set signature=~/.signature
set editor="vi"

set sendmail="/usr/local/bin/nbsmtp -U kline -P
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX -d thought.org -h
aristotle.thought.org -f klinethought.org


	Last night I had troubles sending mail _out_ via mutt;
because I
	can use vi I send most long messages using mutt. Then I
tried kmail.
	Same deal when I tried to send.   I was able to mouse-swipe
this 
	dialogue:

	<QUOTE>
	Sending failed:
	Your SMTP server does not support PLAIN. Choose a different
authentication method. The server responded: "5.7.0
authentication failed"
	The message will stay in the 'outbox' folder until you
either fix the problem (e.g. a broken address) or remove the
message from the 'outbox' folder.
	The following transport protocol was used:
aristotle.thought.org
	Do you want me to continue sending the remaining messages?
	</QUOTE>


	I had/have no clue how to fix this; thus, this email to the
list.
	I just tried evolutionn thaat reequested my IMAP password. 
I tried 
	my "XXXXXXXX" above---which was what I set it to
initially when my
	friend in Dallas, TX helped me set this up in Jan.  [[ He
helped me
	yesteerday to get rsync working to auto-backup web and
other config
	files from aristotle to other computers.  Can't see any
reason that
	anythiing-IMAP would have been touched.]]  

	At any rate, *where* is the IMAP stuff stashed on
aristotle?   A 
	mail app called "dovecot" is installed.  Is the
password stuff 
	kept somewhere in plaintext?  And:: WHY do I need this
level of
	security?  I would rather not have any password protection
on my email...


	thanks for any help,

	gary




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On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:09:10 -0800
Gary Kline <klinemagnesium.net> wrote:

> 	<QUOTE>
> 	Sending failed:
> 	Your SMTP server does not support PLAIN. Choose a
different authentication method. The server responded:
"5.7.0 authentication failed"
> 	The message will stay in the 'outbox' folder until you
either fix the problem (e.g. a broken address) or remove the
message from the 'outbox' folder.
> 	The following transport protocol was used:
aristotle.thought.org
> 	Do you want me to continue sending the remaining
messages?
> 	</QUOTE>

Hi Gary,
i think you may be confusing IMAP (get email and manage
folders,etc) with SMTP
(send email).
from the message above, it seems that the plain text auth
method is not
supported (anymore?) by your smtp server. And therefore it
failed to
authenticate you.... it doesn't *necessarily* mean the
password changed - it
could be the server got upgraded and the new default is to
not accept
auth in PLAIN (ie, now it wants CRAM5, TLS, etc).

The best way to see what happens is to run ethereal (or
tcpdump...) and see
exactly what the server is answering back - i don't trust
what the mail
software reports..in most cases the server messages are
crammed into a few
pre-packaged options that obscure the real issue.

B

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On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:09:10 -0800
Gary Kline <klinemagnesium.net> wrote:

> 	At any rate, *where* is the IMAP stuff stashed on
aristotle?   A 
> 	mail app called "dovecot" is installed.  Is
the password stuff 
> 	kept somewhere in plaintext? 

for dovecot, check /usr/local/etc/dovecot.* ... if you keep
the passdw in a
file, it may be called dovecot.passwd

> And:: WHY do I need this level of
> 	security?  I would rather not have any password
protection on my email...

I assume your server is in your LAN, otherwise the question
is a bit silly 

but even in your LAN, you are open to attacks which would
have it that much
easier if you don't have any password set at all. And,
without passwords, what
would you do with all those password keeper files and
post-it notes on your
monitor 
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