my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 02:56:02PM -0400, Edward Capriolo
wrote:

> For a kick, tell you brother that free BSD is no good.
Install linux
> on the server and start your own consulting company!
> 
> I mean seriously! 14 replies to a thread about nothing.
Let it die everyone!

Hey, you old grouch.   Spring is coming.   Take a deep
breath
and enjoy it.

////jerry


> 
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Donald Laniohan
<donaldmlansd.com> wrote:
> > My task is to build a BSD server and do something
with it. That is all the
> >  information he gave me, that, and any questions I
have to make Google my
> >  best friend, which I have. i remember building my
first whitebox, it was a
> >  386 with windows 3.1. I remember when I built my
486 and stole a copy of
> >  windows 95. I thought I was a savage. BSD,
however, has showed me how
> >  juvenile I have been. If I do not master BSD my
brother is going to keep me
> >  as a desktop support for his windows clients and
I want to progress past
> >  this. So he's giving me a 1u, and said to put BSD
on it and make it do
> >  something, im just so stuck in my windows comfort
zone I can't think of what
> >  I would need a unix server to that I couldn't
make windows do for me. I know
> >  this is trivial but if somebody could offer any
suggestion or resource I,
> >  and my career, would greatly appreciate it
> >
> >
> >
> >  Donald Laniohan
> >
> >  MLAN Consulting
> >
> >  San Diego, CA
> >
> >  donaldmlansd.com
> >
> >
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On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:40:53AM -0400, Jerry McAllister
wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:32:08PM -0800, Donald
Laniohan wrote:
> 
> > My task is to build a BSD server and do something
with it. That is all the
> > information he gave me, that, and any questions I
have to make Google my
> > best friend, which I have. i remember building my
first whitebox, it was a
> > 386 with windows 3.1. I remember when I built my
486 and stole a copy of
> > windows 95. I thought I was a savage. BSD,
however, has showed me how
> > juvenile I have been. If I do not master BSD my
brother is going to keep me
> > as a desktop support for his windows clients and I
want to progress past
> > this. So he's giving me a 1u, and said to put BSD
on it and make it do
> > something, im just so stuck in my windows comfort
zone I can't think of what
> > I would need a unix server to that I couldn't make
windows do for me. I know
> > this is trivial but if somebody could offer any
suggestion or resource I,
> > and my career, would greatly appreciate it
> > 
> 
> Good for your brother.
> 
> First thing to do is get on the FreeBSD website:   http://www.freebsd.org/
> and start reading.    Especially read the handbook and
things about
> installing and setting up FreeBSD.
> 
> Then put some stuff on it, such as browser (Firefox,
probably), 
> web server (Apache), office tools (OpenOffice) and
maybe a few games
> from /usr/ports and learn to use those.   You might
want to add
> database (MySQL), interpreter (Perl, PHP) and other
stuff as needed.

Considering the purpose here is to build a server, I doubt
Firefox,
OpenOffice.org, and games would really be appropriate at
this time.


> 
> Have fun.  

I second the motion.

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On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 06:29:09PM +0100, Zbigniew Szalbot
wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 2008/3/20, Nerius Landys <nlandysgmail.com>:
> > You could make it a video game server.  That's why
I set up a FreeBSD
> >  server.  I run games/iourbanterror, but there are
other games you could run.
> 
> And could FreeBSD be used to become a streaming
internet radio
> station? Has anyone been doing something like that? I
am very
> interested to hear and hopefully it is still within the
topic here...

Technically speaking: Easily.

Legally speaking: That depends on who's going to be
listening to it.  Of
course, the same is true of any other OS that could server
as a
"streaming internet radio station".

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On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 01:01:35AM +0800, Gelsema, P
(Patrick) wrote:
> On Fri, March 21, 2008 00:39, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:50:34AM +0100, Nejc Å
koberne wrote:
> >>
> >> So you are saying that merely setting up an
OpenLDAP server with proper
> >> DNS
> >> configuration and Kerberos authentication
could replace Microsoft AD
> >> controller?
> >> How about a group of controllers with all the
failover features? Group
> >> policies?
> >> Are you sure you could do that just with a
"bit of tweaking"? If there
> >> are
> >> Microsoft
> >> specific features, than FreeBSD can't do
anything Windows server does
> >> and
> >> more. I
> >> am really skeptic about joining a Vista into
such a domain. I would
> >> really
> >> love to
> >> see ONE guy who achieves that. To _completely_
replace Windows server
> >> with
> >> all its
> >> features with FreeBSD Anyone?
> >
> > Full AD parity is expected with the release of
Samba 4:
> >
> >     http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-1035-605370
9.html
> >
> > WINS capability is already available in ports with
the samba4wins port,
> > by the way.
> >
> 
> WINS is required mostly for Browsing networks, Master
browser selection
> and Netbios connections (the infamous 13x ports).
However Microsoft is
> really trying to get rid of Netbios connections and
only have made it
> available for backwards compatibility. If I aint
mistaken port used for
> file connections is somewhere in the 400 range.
> 
> It is definitely not required for a full Windows Domain
and for file-sharing.

True.  I'm just not sure how that's particularly relevant to
what I said.


> 
> > In addition to that, as I pointed out in another
email, FreeBSD can
> > *easily* provide all the same functionality --
though MS Windows clients
> > may not support all the necessary protocols and
client applications
> > needed to take full advantage of that
functionality in some cases.  In
> > fact, FreeBSD supports software that does a far
better job of being a
> > server or client in an MS Windows network than MS
Windows does of being a
> > server or client in a BSD Unix network.
> 
> <snap></snap>

I'm sorry . . . does that mean anything?  You've lost me.


> >
> >> The most important thing: we are talking about
ordinary users not a
> >> bunch of
> >> math professors who want to run every
application from a shell. And
> >> those
> >> users
> >> want to use things nicely. For example, let's
look at the mail system.
> >> You
> >> could
> >> put a
Postfix+amavisd-new+spamassassin+Horde+postfixadmin+ ... bla
bla
> >> stuff on
> >> your FreeBSD server (I actually run this on
many servers). But in that
> >> webmail,
> >> you are not able to manage your spam
quarantine for example - you have
> >> to
> >> logout
> >> of Horde and login to Maia Mailguard (before
you have to install that
> >> too),
> >> which
> >> is complicated for users. The problem of
"mail" is then cut to so many
> >> little
> >> pieces that it may affect user efficiency. The
problem with
> >> concatenating
> >> so many
> >> opensource products is that it is hard to make
them work together like a
> >> charm.
> >> Microsoft usually (!) provides that
(naturally, because it produces all
> >> those
> >> pieces).
> >
> > You don't have to run everything from a shell with
FreeBSD.  What do you
> > think this is -- 1994?  Even manpages can be
accessed with a GUI
> > application.
> >
> > Microsoft does *not* provide everything people
need.  When someone uses a
> > piece of software that isn't produced by
Microsoft, chances are good that
> > any MS software will have been designed
specifically to make it difficult
> > to interoperate.  Meanwhile, a lot of open source
software interoperates
> > very well.  Sure, if you limit yourself to nothing
but MS software, you
> > might get really good integration -- but that's at
the cost of reduced
> > security (thanks to lack of privilege separation
and the ubiquitous use
> > of IE's rendering engine for pretty much every
single application
> > Microsoft produces) and refusing to use a lot of
software that Microsoft
> > doesn't offer.
> >
> 
> I find it really hard to change, finetune settings on
windows. Changing
> default ports eg. The standard tools provided are
limited and there is no
> default. THink about netsh and net commands.

Funny . . . I don't seem to have these problems.  Have you
asked for help
here?


> 
> Also security wise. You need to give more permissions
to an account to do
> something than you should on Freebsd. Chrooted
applications for instance.

Say what?

. . . as opposed to MS Windows, where about 50% of what
someone needs to
do on a given day requires escalation to administrative
permissions?


> >>
> >> I really am a FreeBSD guy, I run it for more
than 6 years now and I like
> >> it
> >> a lot.
> >> But I learned to be reasonable and not to say
that it is in every way
> >> superior to
> >> everything else in the world.
> >
> > When did anyone say that FreeBSD was "in
every way superior to everything
> > else in the world"?  You must be reading a
different discussion than the
> > one I've been reading.
> >
> 
> My point exactly.

. . .

You lost me again.


> 
> >>
> >> Still just talking, not fighting.
> >
> > I'm just offering a perspective and asking a
couple of questions.
> 
> Thanks for your insight. I have been spending a bit
more time on this
> topic than I normally would on a topic. It is really
that I dont have the
> time otherwise I would have tried to work out to
replace all the
> functionalities provided by MS with Freebsd ones.

It took me a while to get around to replacing all my MS
Windows
functionality with Linux functionality -- but it just sorta
happened,
naturally and without real effort, over time.  I found
myself using
Debian GNU/Linux more and more, and using MS Windows less
and less.

The migration from Debian to FreeBSD was pretty much an
overnight affair.
I got a new laptop, installed FreeBSD on it, and haven't had
to look back
since.  Everything I need it to do so far it does as well or
better, with
the exception of support for Flash newer than version 7 --
and, really,
that's not a big deal at this time.

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On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:16:35 +0800 (HKT)
"Gelsema, P (Patrick)" <gelsemapsuperhero.nl> wrote:

> I do agree that microsoft has the benefit of everything
together where you
> will have to install port and port and package to end
up with the same
> result.

the problem is that you get 'everything together'  for all
values of
'everything' that the MS teams in Redmond came up with. If
you need something
slightly different, you either change your requirements, add
other software
(MS upgrade , MS-other-product or added value tool from 3rd
party) for $$ or
have to contract to a MS solution provider for a fix.

I've been working with OSS for over 13 years and I still
haven't come across
something that I couldn't put together with OSS...maybe I am
not original
enough..who knows. 

Windows AD , policies,etc are being handled, AFAIK, by
current versions of
Samba.I think they are even looking into implementing WMI.

And dont forget WINE as well 

Nevertheless, you should use whichever tool best solves your
problem. It may be
MS, no worries. It may be open source, great. It may be
FreeBSD, even better 

B

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Norberto Meijome writes:

>  And dont forget WINE as well 

	Respectfully, the list of things WINE will not - by its
own
documentation - run and has no expectation of running in
the
foreseeable future is immense.  Seasonal example for
Americans:
TurboTax. 


				Robert Huff

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On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:33:30 -0400
Robert Huff <roberthuffrcn.com> wrote:

> 	Respectfully, the list of things WINE will not - by
its own
> documentation - run and has no expectation of running
in the
> foreseeable future is immense.  Seasonal example for
Americans:
> TurboTax. 

sure. and neither does our Australian Tax office software.
which I run on a win32 box or a win32 VM under qemu. 

but wine has come a huge way from when I started to track
it, back in '98 or so.

anyway, choice is the key word here , i think 

cheers,
B
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