Re: and the winner is...

Mario Carugno wrote:
> I there, i was trying freebsd for a while, and
comparing it against 
> debian/linux.
> The winner was Debian by far... Freebsd could be
stable, but it is not 
> faster... and Debian is far much more 'usable'.
>  Freebsd package installation is very laborious
compared with Debian's apt 
> system. I have to search in each CD, know
dependences,...
>  X configuration is hard too when the autodetected
configuration doesn't 
> works...
>  I think fbsd is good, but needs some user facilities.
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Lame.  Care to actually _back up_ your statement with
something substantial?

cvsup and ports is the best package management system I've
seen yet in 
it generally 'just works right.'  That statement is made
with 12 years 
of Linux experience, as well as Solaris and other *nixes.

For a server system, FreeBSD is really hard to beat.  The
closest might 
be Gentoo, but their portage (based on BSD ports) system
isn't as 
consistently stable as BSD ports (meaning things break more
often).

As it's not a _great_ idea IMO to even have build tools (gcc
and 
toolchain) on a production server, it's not a bad idea to
have a 
seperate build host somewhere, but that applies equally to
any system, 
and you also have the option to go with binary packages.

Let me know how the following goes for you with Deb or other
Linux 
distro besides gentoo- install PHP or apache with _only_ the
options 
that you want/need.  Oh right....you can't, without
compiling from 
source, at which point you've lost your 'package
management.'  Oops?

Read the Handbook, try to get enough of a clue to understand
it, use it 
for a month, and then come back with a statement you can
back up. 
Otherwise....piss off.

The only 'real' gripes I've got with FreeBSD are:
a.  thread performance - from what I've seen, still lags
behind Linux 
(mysql benchmarks show this to be true at leat for
5-STABLE).

b.  desktop BSD 'out of box experience'- mixed, as BSD is
primarily a 
server OS, but with 'roll your own' capabilities...oh, and
there are now 
two 'desktop BSD' type projects.  So not really a gripe, but
can see 
someone complaining about it a bit, if they don't find the
Dekstop BSD 
project.

c.  security patch notification system (may exist now?). 
Yes, you can 
get emails from the security ML, but now quite the same as
for example, 
'smpatch analyze' on Solaris 9/10.  This could be argued
that's 
_exactly_ what rel-STABLE is, however, so again, not a real
issue, 
although a user friendly (for people using as a desktop OS)
tool would 
be of benefit.

Geeze, compared to my gripes against Linux and *nix distros.
these are 
really pretty damned trivial.  If thread performance comes
up to par 
with Linux, FreeBSD has a very good chance of becoming my
choice for 
'personal *nix' (ie, my primary workstation, laptops, etc)
over Gentoo.

Scott
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