IE in FreeBSD?

On Thursday 15 September 2005 02:28, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> As a result the existence of these programs discourages
interest in native
> FreeBSD programs, and encourages people not to
wholeheartedly switch
> over to FreeBSD. 

That would be true if you could download any windows
software, run the 
installer and have it work just like on Windows. That's not
the case, wine is 
nowhere near that good. Most applictions that run at all are
a pain to setup 
and use. 

I know from personal experience that the current situation,
where wine 
promises more than it delivers, is very helpful in getting
people to swap 
over. One of the applictions I didn't want to lose was Forte
Agent (1.x). 
This has a reputation for working well under wine; even so I
had so many 
problems that I started using Pan as a stopgap until I got
Agent working 
properly.  In the end I just got used to Pan.

However bad wine is for day to day use, and however good the
native 
alternatives get, there remain occasions when it is
essential to use an 
industry-standard Microsoft application. For example, if you
are applying for 
a job, you have to check that your cv/resume views correctly
on a real  
microsoft word.
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RW wrote:
> However bad wine is for day to day use, and however
good the native 
> alternatives get, there remain occasions when it is
essential to use an 
> industry-standard Microsoft application. For example,
if you are applying for 
> a job, you have to check that your cv/resume views
correctly on a real  
> microsoft word.

Why not submit your CV as a PDF?

Ashley
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On Tuesday 20 September 2005 14:52, Ashley Moran wrote:
> RW wrote:
>>  For example, if you are applying
> > for a job, you have to check that your cv/resume
views correctly on a
> > real microsoft word.
>
> Why not submit your CV as a PDF?

Because it's common for companies and recruitment agencies
to specify MS Word 
documents only. It's a de facto standard. 

Actually I don't find pdf to be as portable as they should
be, I've seen lots 
of example that wont display completely or properly. 
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If you use openoffice and then export to PDF it ok.
If you're able to write your resume in PostScript and then
convert it
to PDF that would be perfect solution.
Regards,

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hi!

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:24:38 +0100
RW <list-freebsd-2004morbius.sent.com> wrote:
> 
> Because it's common for companies and recruitment
agencies to specify
> MS Word documents only. It's a de facto standard. 

this may be a bit offtopic  ...
but i think we agree that this situation is not good.
is there any 'official' standard for office documents like
there is for
html, css, xml etc.?
if not, are there any efforts to create one?
if such a standard would be created by an international
institution and
for example governments start/plan using it MS would be
forced to adapt
it...

jonas
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The standarts we are speaking are per company basis - e.g.
West
European governments are slightly shifting to Linux as a
desktop,
while others strictly mention what formats of resumes they
accept on
their recruitment sites.
In most cases of big companies I have seen,   they say that
prefer
HTML or plain text or PDF, unless stated otherwise or if
you're sent
to fill in a MS Word application form.
MS Office files are good media for sending viruses, so they
try to avoid them.
As Microsoft standarts are closed, do not expect IE to run
natively on
other platforms besides Windows and MacOSX. Opera is a good
alternative and can fool sites that you're running IE.


2005/9/20, jonas <jonas.de.buhrgmx.net>:
> hi!
>
> On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:24:38 +0100
> RW <list-freebsd-2004morbius.sent.com> wrote:
> >
> > Because it's common for companies and recruitment
agencies to specify
> > MS Word documents only. It's a de facto standard.
>
> this may be a bit offtopic  ...
> but i think we agree that this situation is not good.
> is there any 'official' standard for office documents
like there is for
> html, css, xml etc.?
> if not, are there any efforts to create one?
> if such a standard would be created by an international
institution and
> for example governments start/plan using it MS would be
forced to adapt
> it...
>
> jonas
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On Tuesday 20 September 2005 11:19 am, jonas wrote:
> hi!
>
> On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:24:38 +0100
>
> RW <list-freebsd-2004morbius.sent.com> wrote:
> > Because it's common for companies and recruitment
agencies to specify
> > MS Word documents only. It's a de facto standard.
>
> this may be a bit offtopic  ...
> but i think we agree that this situation is not good.
> is there any 'official' standard for office documents
like there is for
> html, css, xml etc.?
> if not, are there any efforts to create one?
> if such a standard would be created by an international
institution and
> for example governments start/plan using it MS would be
forced to adapt
> it...
Open Office's Open Document is good, trouble is I doubt if
MS or the like will 
ever adopt something that will make it easy to use software
other than MS. 
And remember MS NEEDS frequent upgrades for their continued
hold on 
corporate.

Mike
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jonas wrote:

>hi!
>
>On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:24:38 +0100
>RW <list-freebsd-2004morbius.sent.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Because it's common for companies and recruitment
agencies to specify
>>MS Word documents only. It's a de facto standard. 
>>    
>>
>
>this may be a bit offtopic  ...
>but i think we agree that this situation is not good.
>is there any 'official' standard for office documents
like there is for
>html, css, xml etc.?
>  
>

Probably there are several "official" standards. 
If Microsoft ever
invades the EU and wins, then there will be one 

More seriously:

[kadminarchangel][~]
# file fooresume.doc
fooresume.doc: Rich Text Format data, version 1, ANSI

  --- seems to indicate that the "American National
Standards
Institute" has a standard for "Rich Text
Format", which IIRC,
was invented by Microsoft many a long year ago....  see, for
example: htt
p://latex2rtf.sourceforge.net/RTF-Spec-1.0.txt


>if not, are there any efforts to create one?
>if such a standard would be created by an international
institution and
>for example governments start/plan using it MS would be
forced to adapt
>it...
>
>  
>

Hmm, I sort of doubt it.  Not unless they actually *lost* a
lawsuit.
And their "RTF" has already been
"standardized", hrm?

Anyway....

FWIW, both TextMaker (www.softmaker.de) and AbiWord (and
I'm sure probably Star Office, Open Office, Koffice, etc.)
make
a decent *.doc file that looks good in the versions of MS
Word
I have around here.  I don't know about the latest
"Office this year"
though.  A major complaint with MS it that *.doc is quite a
moving
target ... and of course, they aren't publishing on
sourceforge.net....

Kevin Kinsey
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On Tuesday 20 September 2005 15:50, Dimitar Vasilev wrote:
> If you use openoffice and then export to PDF it ok.
> If you're able to write your resume in PostScript and
then convert it
> to PDF that would be perfect solution.
> Regards,

You are missing the point.  I'm not asking for advice about
how to create a 
CV, I'm pointing out an instance where it's virtually
essential to use a real 
copy of MS word to edit (or at least check) a document
before it's sent. 

If someone has to wade through hundreds of CVs and you have
not submitted 
yours in the format they asked for, or have submitted a
badly formated copy, 
then you place yourself at a severe disadvantage.
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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org]On Behalf Of RW
>Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 7:25 AM
>To: freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
>Subject: Re: IE in FreeBSD?
>
>
>On Tuesday 20 September 2005 14:52, Ashley Moran wrote:
>> RW wrote:
>>>  For example, if you are applying
>> > for a job, you have to check that your
cv/resume views
>correctly on a
>> > real microsoft word.
>>
>> Why not submit your CV as a PDF?
>
>Because it's common for companies and recruitment
agencies to
>specify MS Word
>documents only. It's a de facto standard.
>

You know it amazes me that ANY recruiting agency would
defend
Microsoft after this hit the press:

"http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/bu
sinesstechnology/2002468560_msft
google03.html"

"I know Bob, let's standardize on a document format for
our company that
is set
by a company that is actively working to put us out of
business!"  "Great
idea, Sam!"

But who ever said recruiters were particularly intelligent.

Ted

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