FreeBSD 6.0 compat with DL320 G4

RAID support on the DL320 G4 is broken.  HP uses Adaptec
firmware and Adaptec has not provided Soren programming info
on their metadata format, as he requested.

Ted

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>
>> Our vendor preference is HP, if anyone could share
their experience
>> with the following products (in regards of
network/sata support and
>> anything else mentioning):
>>
>> HP DL140 G2
>> HP DL145 G2
>> HP DL320 G4
>> HP DL360 G4
>
>we tried dl320 g2, g3, g4, dl380 g3 with sata/ciss
drives,
>1-4gb ram, P4/XEON, DUAL-XEON with freebsd 5 and 6.
>as of the *bsd's, freebsd has the best support for the
>hp DL*s. sata support is not given for all embedded
raid-
>controllers but you can still use raid 1 functionality
>using raidctl. hdd failures can render the system hang
for
>3-5sec's on sata devices but after this timeout,
everything's
>fine. rebuild is sometimes only possible by os-command,
pluggin'
>in the new drive is sometimes not enough 
>
>nw/chipset support is working (at least on all machines
we use).
>no performance issues, except you configure as router
and you use
>many different irq's for all interfaces (only occurred
on a machine
>with 8 interfaces).
>
>thermal zone / ipmi support is not really
>close to the vendors ideas and sometimes produces wrong
>numbers, but if you don't want to set fan-speed or
check
>temp. on all mentioned devices, it's fine.
>
>also, system management like (red-power fail, red-fan
fail, etc...)
>is not really talking to the os and vice versa,
therefore you'll
>have to check for errors like this on your own.
>
>furthermore, bios/fw upgrades can sometimes be really
annoying,
>if you don't have usb-boot-support you'd run into
troubles because
>hp only delivers them for some specific os's and
freebsd is not on
>the list.
>
>btw. if somebody reads this and thinks: hey, bullshit i
know a way
>of doing this better and it works fine with my DL,
please let me
>know!
>
>best regards and good luck w. the hw 
>
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> RAID support on the DL320 G4 is broken.  HP uses
Adaptec
> firmware and Adaptec has not provided Soren programming
info
> on their metadata format, as he requested.

hi,
we're using 6.1-RC1 on a DL320 G4 with raidctl, which
perfectly
fit's our needs. the metadata being written by the bios-fw
of the
onboard-controller (adaptec) is really not readable by the
os, but
this doesn't prevent us from having our os being installed
on raid1.
you only have to boot freebsd, go to the shell, use raidctl
to create
an ar0 using ad4 and ad6 and then install the os directly
onto ar0.
even booting is not an issue.
[->thx 2 soren, he pointed us in the right direction upon
this ]

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Will this stop me using the drives without RAID?

Regards,

William

On 28/04/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedmtoybox.placo.com> wrote:
> RAID support on the DL320 G4 is broken.  HP uses
Adaptec
> firmware and Adaptec has not provided Soren programming
info
> on their metadata format, as he requested.
>
> Ted
>
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> >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org]On Behalf Of
> >NoSPAMmgEDV.net
> >Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:38 AM
> >To: freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
> >Cc: willaygmail.com
> >Subject: RE: FreeBSD 6.0 compat with DL320 G4
> >
> >
> >
> >> Our vendor preference is HP, if anyone could
share their experience
> >> with the following products (in regards of
network/sata support and
> >> anything else mentioning):
> >>
> >> HP DL140 G2
> >> HP DL145 G2
> >> HP DL320 G4
> >> HP DL360 G4
> >
> >we tried dl320 g2, g3, g4, dl380 g3 with sata/ciss
drives,
> >1-4gb ram, P4/XEON, DUAL-XEON with freebsd 5 and 6.
> >as of the *bsd's, freebsd has the best support for
the
> >hp DL*s. sata support is not given for all embedded
raid-
> >controllers but you can still use raid 1
functionality
> >using raidctl. hdd failures can render the system
hang for
> >3-5sec's on sata devices but after this timeout,
everything's
> >fine. rebuild is sometimes only possible by
os-command, pluggin'
> >in the new drive is sometimes not enough 
> >
> >nw/chipset support is working (at least on all
machines we use).
> >no performance issues, except you configure as
router and you use
> >many different irq's for all interfaces (only
occurred on a machine
> >with 8 interfaces).
> >
> >thermal zone / ipmi support is not really
> >close to the vendors ideas and sometimes produces
wrong
> >numbers, but if you don't want to set fan-speed or
check
> >temp. on all mentioned devices, it's fine.
> >
> >also, system management like (red-power fail,
red-fan fail, etc...)
> >is not really talking to the os and vice versa,
therefore you'll
> >have to check for errors like this on your own.
> >
> >furthermore, bios/fw upgrades can sometimes be
really annoying,
> >if you don't have usb-boot-support you'd run into
troubles because
> >hp only delivers them for some specific os's and
freebsd is not on
> >the list.
> >
> >btw. if somebody reads this and thinks: hey,
bullshit i know a way
> >of doing this better and it works fine with my DL,
please let me
> >know!
> >
> >best regards and good luck w. the hw 
> >
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No, but you must make sure to turn OFF raid in the BIOS
settings or FreeBSD 6.1 will not recognize the drives.

Ted

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>Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:05 AM
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>Subject: Re: FreeBSD 6.0 compat with DL320 G4
>
>
>Will this stop me using the drives without RAID?
>
>Regards,
>
>William
>
>On 28/04/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedmtoybox.placo.com> wrote:
>> RAID support on the DL320 G4 is broken.  HP uses
Adaptec
>> firmware and Adaptec has not provided Soren
programming info
>> on their metadata format, as he requested.
>>
>> Ted
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
>> >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org]On Behalf Of
>> >NoSPAMmgEDV.net
>> >Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:38 AM
>> >To: freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
>> >Cc: willaygmail.com
>> >Subject: RE: FreeBSD 6.0 compat with DL320 G4
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Our vendor preference is HP, if anyone
could share their experience
>> >> with the following products (in regards of
network/sata support and
>> >> anything else mentioning):
>> >>
>> >> HP DL140 G2
>> >> HP DL145 G2
>> >> HP DL320 G4
>> >> HP DL360 G4
>> >
>> >we tried dl320 g2, g3, g4, dl380 g3 with
sata/ciss drives,
>> >1-4gb ram, P4/XEON, DUAL-XEON with freebsd 5
and 6.
>> >as of the *bsd's, freebsd has the best support
for the
>> >hp DL*s. sata support is not given for all
embedded raid-
>> >controllers but you can still use raid 1
functionality
>> >using raidctl. hdd failures can render the
system hang for
>> >3-5sec's on sata devices but after this
timeout, everything's
>> >fine. rebuild is sometimes only possible by
os-command, pluggin'
>> >in the new drive is sometimes not enough 
>> >
>> >nw/chipset support is working (at least on all
machines we use).
>> >no performance issues, except you configure as
router and you use
>> >many different irq's for all interfaces (only
occurred on a machine
>> >with 8 interfaces).
>> >
>> >thermal zone / ipmi support is not really
>> >close to the vendors ideas and sometimes
produces wrong
>> >numbers, but if you don't want to set
fan-speed or check
>> >temp. on all mentioned devices, it's fine.
>> >
>> >also, system management like (red-power fail,
red-fan fail, etc...)
>> >is not really talking to the os and vice versa,
therefore you'll
>> >have to check for errors like this on your own.
>> >
>> >furthermore, bios/fw upgrades can sometimes be
really annoying,
>> >if you don't have usb-boot-support you'd run
into troubles because
>> >hp only delivers them for some specific os's
and freebsd is not on
>> >the list.
>> >
>> >btw. if somebody reads this and thinks: hey,
bullshit i know a way
>> >of doing this better and it works fine with my
DL, please let me
>> >know!
>> >
>> >best regards and good luck w. the hw 
>> >
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Ted,

Is that the same with FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE?

Cheers,

Will

On 28/04/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedmtoybox.placo.com> wrote:
>
> No, but you must make sure to turn OFF raid in the BIOS
> settings or FreeBSD 6.1 will not recognize the drives.
>
> Ted
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
> >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org]On Behalf Of William
> >Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:05 AM
> >To: freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
> >Subject: Re: FreeBSD 6.0 compat with DL320 G4
> >
> >
> >Will this stop me using the drives without RAID?
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >William
> >
> >On 28/04/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedmtoybox.placo.com> wrote:
> >> RAID support on the DL320 G4 is broken.  HP
uses Adaptec
> >> firmware and Adaptec has not provided Soren
programming info
> >> on their metadata format, as he requested.
> >>
> >> Ted
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
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> >> >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org]On Behalf Of
> >> >NoSPAMmgEDV.net
> >> >Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:38 AM
> >> >To: freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
> >> >Cc: willaygmail.com
> >> >Subject: RE: FreeBSD 6.0 compat with DL320
G4
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Our vendor preference is HP, if
anyone could share their experience
> >> >> with the following products (in
regards of network/sata support and
> >> >> anything else mentioning):
> >> >>
> >> >> HP DL140 G2
> >> >> HP DL145 G2
> >> >> HP DL320 G4
> >> >> HP DL360 G4
> >> >
> >> >we tried dl320 g2, g3, g4, dl380 g3 with
sata/ciss drives,
> >> >1-4gb ram, P4/XEON, DUAL-XEON with freebsd
5 and 6.
> >> >as of the *bsd's, freebsd has the best
support for the
> >> >hp DL*s. sata support is not given for all
embedded raid-
> >> >controllers but you can still use raid 1
functionality
> >> >using raidctl. hdd failures can render the
system hang for
> >> >3-5sec's on sata devices but after this
timeout, everything's
> >> >fine. rebuild is sometimes only possible
by os-command, pluggin'
> >> >in the new drive is sometimes not enough

> >> >
> >> >nw/chipset support is working (at least on
all machines we use).
> >> >no performance issues, except you
configure as router and you use
> >> >many different irq's for all interfaces
(only occurred on a machine
> >> >with 8 interfaces).
> >> >
> >> >thermal zone / ipmi support is not really
> >> >close to the vendors ideas and sometimes
produces wrong
> >> >numbers, but if you don't want to set
fan-speed or check
> >> >temp. on all mentioned devices, it's
fine.
> >> >
> >> >also, system management like (red-power
fail, red-fan fail, etc...)
> >> >is not really talking to the os and vice
versa, therefore you'll
> >> >have to check for errors like this on your
own.
> >> >
> >> >furthermore, bios/fw upgrades can
sometimes be really annoying,
> >> >if you don't have usb-boot-support you'd
run into troubles because
> >> >hp only delivers them for some specific
os's and freebsd is not on
> >> >the list.
> >> >
> >> >btw. if somebody reads this and thinks:
hey, bullshit i know a way
> >> >of doing this better and it works fine
with my DL, please let me
> >> >know!
> >> >
> >> >best regards and good luck w. the hw 
> >> >
> >>
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Hi William,

  No.  Soren added a bunch of error checking code in the ata
driver
for 6.1 to reject oddball cases and one of the things it
does is ignore
the
disks on this particular server if the RAID functionality is
turned
on in the BIOS.  However, even though FreeBSD 6.0 sees the
disks if the
RAID setup is switched on in BIOS, it does not see the RAID
array so
it is pretty much an error to have this BIOS option turned
on.

  Until support for the Adaptec metadata format is added,
the
RAID firmware in this server is useless.

  But you still can get RAID going on the server now by
doing this:

Turn off SATA Raid in the BIOS.  Install a scratch version
of
FreeBSD.  Login as root issue the command "atacontrol
create RAID1 ad4
ad6"
Immediately reboot.  Reinstall FreeBSD on disk
"ar0"

This will give you chipset RAID just you can't rebuild the
array from
the BIOS.

More importantly, though, is trouble with the Ethernet
chipset.

During the install it will ask if you want to configure the
Ethernet interface.  Do not do this.  If you do the system
will
immediately panic.

Once the system is up and running, recompile the kernel to
use the
fix discussed in PR  kern/94307.  A discussion of how you
might
go about implementing this fix is in PR kern/94863

Unfortunately the bge maintainers) are very loath to believe
that
they are going to have to make exceptions in their code for
all
the different hacked up variants of this Ethernet chipset,
but
in reviewing the PR database I suspect this is the case.

Ted

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>Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:27 AM
>To: freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
>Subject: Re: FreeBSD 6.0 compat with DL320 G4
>
>
>Ted,
>
>Is that the same with FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Will
>
>On 28/04/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedmtoybox.placo.com> wrote:
>>
>> No, but you must make sure to turn OFF raid in the
BIOS
>> settings or FreeBSD 6.1 will not recognize the
drives.
>>
>> Ted
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
>> >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org]On Behalf Of William
>> >Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:05 AM
>> >To: freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
>> >Subject: Re: FreeBSD 6.0 compat with DL320 G4
>> >
>> >
>> >Will this stop me using the drives without
RAID?
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >William
>> >
>> >On 28/04/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedmtoybox.placo.com> wrote:
>> >> RAID support on the DL320 G4 is broken. 
HP uses Adaptec
>> >> firmware and Adaptec has not provided
Soren programming info
>> >> on their metadata format, as he requested.
>> >>
>> >> Ted
>> >>
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >From: owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
>> >> >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org]On Behalf Of
>> >> >NoSPAMmgEDV.net
>> >> >Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:38 AM
>> >> >To: freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
>> >> >Cc: willaygmail.com
>> >> >Subject: RE: FreeBSD 6.0 compat with
DL320 G4
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Our vendor preference is HP, if
anyone could share
>their experience
>> >> >> with the following products (in
regards of network/sata
>support and
>> >> >> anything else mentioning):
>> >> >>
>> >> >> HP DL140 G2
>> >> >> HP DL145 G2
>> >> >> HP DL320 G4
>> >> >> HP DL360 G4
>> >> >
>> >> >we tried dl320 g2, g3, g4, dl380 g3
with sata/ciss drives,
>> >> >1-4gb ram, P4/XEON, DUAL-XEON with
freebsd 5 and 6.
>> >> >as of the *bsd's, freebsd has the
best support for the
>> >> >hp DL*s. sata support is not given for
all embedded raid-
>> >> >controllers but you can still use raid
1 functionality
>> >> >using raidctl. hdd failures can render
the system hang for
>> >> >3-5sec's on sata devices but after
this timeout, everything's
>> >> >fine. rebuild is sometimes only
possible by os-command, pluggin'
>> >> >in the new drive is sometimes not
enough 
>> >> >
>> >> >nw/chipset support is working (at
least on all machines we use).
>> >> >no performance issues, except you
configure as router and you use
>> >> >many different irq's for all
interfaces (only occurred on
>a machine
>> >> >with 8 interfaces).
>> >> >
>> >> >thermal zone / ipmi support is not
really
>> >> >close to the vendors ideas and
sometimes produces wrong
>> >> >numbers, but if you don't want to set
fan-speed or check
>> >> >temp. on all mentioned devices, it's
fine.
>> >> >
>> >> >also, system management like
(red-power fail, red-fan
>fail, etc...)
>> >> >is not really talking to the os and
vice versa, therefore you'll
>> >> >have to check for errors like this on
your own.
>> >> >
>> >> >furthermore, bios/fw upgrades can
sometimes be really annoying,
>> >> >if you don't have usb-boot-support
you'd run into troubles because
>> >> >hp only delivers them for some
specific os's and freebsd is not on
>> >> >the list.
>> >> >
>> >> >btw. if somebody reads this and
thinks: hey, bullshit i know a way
>> >> >of doing this better and it works fine
with my DL, please let me
>> >> >know!
>> >> >
>> >> >best regards and good luck w. the hw

>> >> >
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Hi Ted,

Thanks for the information regarding the Ethernet chipset,
does the
same thing happen if you configure the interface via
rc.conf/ifconfig
once the system is up and running?

If the ethernet chipset support at the moment is flakey then
I might
have to look at a different vender, ethernet being one of
the most
important devices I need working for what I'm after! :(

Cheers,

Will

On 29/04/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedmtoybox.placo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi William,
>
>   No.  Soren added a bunch of error checking code in
the ata driver
> for 6.1 to reject oddball cases and one of the things
it does is ignore
> the
> disks on this particular server if the RAID
functionality is turned
> on in the BIOS.  However, even though FreeBSD 6.0 sees
the disks if the
> RAID setup is switched on in BIOS, it does not see the
RAID array so
> it is pretty much an error to have this BIOS option
turned on.
>
>   Until support for the Adaptec metadata format is
added, the
> RAID firmware in this server is useless.
>
>   But you still can get RAID going on the server now by
doing this:
>
> Turn off SATA Raid in the BIOS.  Install a scratch
version of
> FreeBSD.  Login as root issue the command
"atacontrol create RAID1 ad4
> ad6"
> Immediately reboot.  Reinstall FreeBSD on disk
"ar0"
>
> This will give you chipset RAID just you can't rebuild
the array from
> the BIOS.
>
> More importantly, though, is trouble with the Ethernet
chipset.
>
> During the install it will ask if you want to configure
the
> Ethernet interface.  Do not do this.  If you do the
system will
> immediately panic.
>
> Once the system is up and running, recompile the kernel
to use the
> fix discussed in PR  kern/94307.  A discussion of how
you might
> go about implementing this fix is in PR kern/94863
>
> Unfortunately the bge maintainers) are very loath to
believe that
> they are going to have to make exceptions in their code
for all
> the different hacked up variants of this Ethernet
chipset, but
> in reviewing the PR database I suspect this is the
case.
>
> Ted
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
> >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org]On Behalf Of William
> >Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:27 AM
> >To: freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
> >Subject: Re: FreeBSD 6.0 compat with DL320 G4
> >
> >
> >Ted,
> >
> >Is that the same with FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE?
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Will
> >
> >On 28/04/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedmtoybox.placo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> No, but you must make sure to turn OFF raid in
the BIOS
> >> settings or FreeBSD 6.1 will not recognize the
drives.
> >>
> >> Ted
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
> >> >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org]On Behalf Of William
> >> >Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:05 AM
> >> >To: freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
> >> >Subject: Re: FreeBSD 6.0 compat with DL320
G4
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Will this stop me using the drives without
RAID?
> >> >
> >> >Regards,
> >> >
> >> >William
> >> >
> >> >On 28/04/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedmtoybox.placo.com> wrote:
> >> >> RAID support on the DL320 G4 is
broken.  HP uses Adaptec
> >> >> firmware and Adaptec has not provided
Soren programming info
> >> >> on their metadata format, as he
requested.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ted
> >> >>
> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >From: owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
> >> >>
>[mailto:owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org]On Behalf Of
> >> >> >NoSPAMmgEDV.net
> >> >> >Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006
5:38 AM
> >> >> >To: freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
> >> >> >Cc: willaygmail.com
> >> >> >Subject: RE: FreeBSD 6.0 compat
with DL320 G4
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Our vendor preference is HP,
if anyone could share
> >their experience
> >> >> >> with the following products
(in regards of network/sata
> >support and
> >> >> >> anything else mentioning):
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> HP DL140 G2
> >> >> >> HP DL145 G2
> >> >> >> HP DL320 G4
> >> >> >> HP DL360 G4
> >> >> >
> >> >> >we tried dl320 g2, g3, g4, dl380
g3 with sata/ciss drives,
> >> >> >1-4gb ram, P4/XEON, DUAL-XEON
with freebsd 5 and 6.
> >> >> >as of the *bsd's, freebsd has
the best support for the
> >> >> >hp DL*s. sata support is not
given for all embedded raid-
> >> >> >controllers but you can still use
raid 1 functionality
> >> >> >using raidctl. hdd failures can
render the system hang for
> >> >> >3-5sec's on sata devices but
after this timeout, everything's
> >> >> >fine. rebuild is sometimes only
possible by os-command, pluggin'
> >> >> >in the new drive is sometimes not
enough 
> >> >> >
> >> >> >nw/chipset support is working (at
least on all machines we use).
> >> >> >no performance issues, except you
configure as router and you use
> >> >> >many different irq's for all
interfaces (only occurred on
> >a machine
> >> >> >with 8 interfaces).
> >> >> >
> >> >> >thermal zone / ipmi support is
not really
> >> >> >close to the vendors ideas and
sometimes produces wrong
> >> >> >numbers, but if you don't want
to set fan-speed or check
> >> >> >temp. on all mentioned devices,
it's fine.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >also, system management like
(red-power fail, red-fan
> >fail, etc...)
> >> >> >is not really talking to the os
and vice versa, therefore you'll
> >> >> >have to check for errors like
this on your own.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >furthermore, bios/fw upgrades can
sometimes be really annoying,
> >> >> >if you don't have
usb-boot-support you'd run into troubles because
> >> >> >hp only delivers them for some
specific os's and freebsd is not on
> >> >> >the list.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >btw. if somebody reads this and
thinks: hey, bullshit i know a way
> >> >> >of doing this better and it works
fine with my DL, please let me
> >> >> >know!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >best regards and good luck w. the
hw 
> >> >> >
> >> >>
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No, what happens if you configure it via rc.conf is the
server
stays up for about a minute then panics, rather than
panicing
immediately.

Perhaps if you e-mailed the bge maintainer and referenced
the
PRs on the Ethernet, they might be willing to fix the
driver.
Otherwise I'm going to look at it next week since I have
one
of these servers and I can't return it. :-(  Another
possibility
is installing another ethernet card in the server's
expansion
slot.

Ted

>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
>[mailto:owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org]On Behalf Of
William
>Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 9:47 AM
>To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>Cc: freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
>Subject: Re: FreeBSD 6.0 compat with DL320 G4
>
>
>Hi Ted,
>
>Thanks for the information regarding the Ethernet
chipset, does the
>same thing happen if you configure the interface via
rc.conf/ifconfig
>once the system is up and running?
>
>If the ethernet chipset support at the moment is flakey
then I might
>have to look at a different vender, ethernet being one
of the most
>important devices I need working for what I'm after! :(
>
>Cheers,
>
>Will
>
>On 29/04/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedmtoybox.placo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi William,
>>
>>   No.  Soren added a bunch of error checking code
in the ata driver
>> for 6.1 to reject oddball cases and one of the
things it does
>is ignore
>> the
>> disks on this particular server if the RAID
functionality is turned
>> on in the BIOS.  However, even though FreeBSD 6.0
sees the
>disks if the
>> RAID setup is switched on in BIOS, it does not see
the RAID array so
>> it is pretty much an error to have this BIOS option
turned on.
>>
>>   Until support for the Adaptec metadata format is
added, the
>> RAID firmware in this server is useless.
>>
>>   But you still can get RAID going on the server
now by doing this:
>>
>> Turn off SATA Raid in the BIOS.  Install a scratch
version of
>> FreeBSD.  Login as root issue the command
"atacontrol create RAID1 ad4
>> ad6"
>> Immediately reboot.  Reinstall FreeBSD on disk
"ar0"
>>
>> This will give you chipset RAID just you can't
rebuild the array from
>> the BIOS.
>>
>> More importantly, though, is trouble with the
Ethernet chipset.
>>
>> During the install it will ask if you want to
configure the
>> Ethernet interface.  Do not do this.  If you do the
system will
>> immediately panic.
>>
>> Once the system is up and running, recompile the
kernel to use the
>> fix discussed in PR  kern/94307.  A discussion of
how you might
>> go about implementing this fix is in PR kern/94863
>>
>> Unfortunately the bge maintainers) are very loath
to believe that
>> they are going to have to make exceptions in their
code for all
>> the different hacked up variants of this Ethernet
chipset, but
>> in reviewing the PR database I suspect this is the
case.
>>
>> Ted
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
>> >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org]On Behalf Of William
>> >Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:27 AM
>> >To: freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
>> >Subject: Re: FreeBSD 6.0 compat with DL320 G4
>> >
>> >
>> >Ted,
>> >
>> >Is that the same with FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE?
>> >
>> >Cheers,
>> >
>> >Will
>> >
>> >On 28/04/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedmtoybox.placo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> No, but you must make sure to turn OFF
raid in the BIOS
>> >> settings or FreeBSD 6.1 will not recognize
the drives.
>> >>
>> >> Ted
>> >>
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >From: owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
>> >> >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org]On Behalf Of William
>> >> >Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:05 AM
>> >> >To: freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
>> >> >Subject: Re: FreeBSD 6.0 compat with
DL320 G4
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Will this stop me using the drives
without RAID?
>> >> >
>> >> >Regards,
>> >> >
>> >> >William
>> >> >
>> >> >On 28/04/06, Ted Mittelstaedt
<tedmtoybox.placo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> RAID support on the DL320 G4 is
broken.  HP uses Adaptec
>> >> >> firmware and Adaptec has not
provided Soren programming info
>> >> >> on their metadata format, as he
requested.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ted
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >From:
owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
>> >> >>
>[mailto:owner-freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org]On Behalf Of
>> >> >> >NoSPAMmgEDV.net
>> >> >> >Sent: Thursday, April 27,
2006 5:38 AM
>> >> >> >To: freebsd-questionsfreebsd.org
>> >> >> >Cc: willaygmail.com
>> >> >> >Subject: RE: FreeBSD 6.0
compat with DL320 G4
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Our vendor preference is
HP, if anyone could share
>> >their experience
>> >> >> >> with the following
products (in regards of network/sata
>> >support and
>> >> >> >> anything else
mentioning):
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> HP DL140 G2
>> >> >> >> HP DL145 G2
>> >> >> >> HP DL320 G4
>> >> >> >> HP DL360 G4
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >we tried dl320 g2, g3, g4,
dl380 g3 with sata/ciss drives,
>> >> >> >1-4gb ram, P4/XEON, DUAL-XEON
with freebsd 5 and 6.
>> >> >> >as of the *bsd's, freebsd
has the best support for the
>> >> >> >hp DL*s. sata support is not
given for all embedded raid-
>> >> >> >controllers but you can still
use raid 1 functionality
>> >> >> >using raidctl. hdd failures
can render the system hang for
>> >> >> >3-5sec's on sata devices but
after this timeout, everything's
>> >> >> >fine. rebuild is sometimes
only possible by
>os-command, pluggin'
>> >> >> >in the new drive is sometimes
not enough 
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >nw/chipset support is working
(at least on all
>machines we use).
>> >> >> >no performance issues, except
you configure as router
>and you use
>> >> >> >many different irq's for all
interfaces (only occurred on
>> >a machine
>> >> >> >with 8 interfaces).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >thermal zone / ipmi support
is not really
>> >> >> >close to the vendors ideas
and sometimes produces wrong
>> >> >> >numbers, but if you don't
want to set fan-speed or check
>> >> >> >temp. on all mentioned
devices, it's fine.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >also, system management like
(red-power fail, red-fan
>> >fail, etc...)
>> >> >> >is not really talking to the
os and vice versa,
>therefore you'll
>> >> >> >have to check for errors like
this on your own.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >furthermore, bios/fw upgrades
can sometimes be really annoying,
>> >> >> >if you don't have
usb-boot-support you'd run into
>troubles because
>> >> >> >hp only delivers them for
some specific os's and
>freebsd is not on
>> >> >> >the list.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >btw. if somebody reads this
and thinks: hey, bullshit
>i know a way
>> >> >> >of doing this better and it
works fine with my DL,
>please let me
>> >> >> >know!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >best regards and good luck w.
the hw 
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
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just for info: our dl320 g4 also has bge interfaces, and
they work very well under 6.1-RC1 (even BETA4 was ok).
but our server has been bought 2 months ago, maybe there's
a newer/different chipset in it.
we also have a dl320 g2 being heavily used as lan switches
monitor, this server also has bge interfaces and had no
problem since 1 year capturing and analyzing more than
26GB/day (avg) of nw-data on the 2nd interface and serving
more than 4GB/day (avg) on the primary one (both IPv4 only).

c ya 

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