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Re: gmirror problem with HP Proliant ML110 G5
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Germany
2008-04-18 13:30:47
Am 18.04.2008 um 20:14 schrieb Josep Pujadas i Jubany:

> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:20:34 -0700, Jeremy Chadwick
wrote
>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 07:12:06AM +0200, Gianni
wrote:
>>
>> Josep, the disks may be the same in capacity, but
they aren't  
>> completely
>> identical.  It's fairly obvious one is a Seagate
and the other is
>> HP/Compaq drive.
>
> Yes, I know. It is difficult to have exactlly the same
model when  
> you buy a
> machine to HP in Spain. First disk comes with the
machine and the  
> second in
> a separate box. But I have many machines like this
using gmirror  
> and no
> problem up to now.


IBM's OEMed LSI SAS RAID-controllers (in the blades) likes
to have  
identical drives with identical firmware-revisions, before
it even  
lets you create a RAID1.
That's why you (supposedly) pay a premium for IBM and HP:
they are  
supposed to stock enough spare parts so that they can still
supply  
you with them in a couple of years down the road.


>
>> This is very likely **not** the cause of the DMA
errors you're
>> seeing, but I did want to take a moment to state
that mix-matching
>> drives with different semantics in a mirror is
somewhat risky.
>
> No other solution. If one disk fails and I have to
change it I'm  
> quite sure
> I will not find the same model. Same geometry yes, but
exactly the  
> same
> model not.


HP should be able to deliver!
If not, I'd not bother with their stuff and just order
Tyan-barebones  
right away.

IMO, the low-end HP stuff is not worth the trouble -
anything below  
DL360 is so cheap that I'd have problems calling it a
"server" actually.

I think I'd rather buy a DL380 from ebay - because those are
rock- 
solid and use decent hardware. The rest are just "Me
too"-products so  
that the roadmap starts at a lower entry price (somebody
obviously  
got annoyed of all the "HP"="high-price"
babble)



cheers,
Rainer
-- 
Rainer Duffner
CISSP, LPI, MCSE
rainerultra-secure.de


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Re: gmirror problem with HP Proliant ML110 G5
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Spain
2008-04-19 07:31:10
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:30:47 +0200, Rainer Duffner wrote
> Am 18.04.2008 um 20:14 schrieb Josep Pujadas i Jubany:
> 
> > On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:20:34 -0700, Jeremy
Chadwick wrote
> >> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 07:12:06AM +0200,
Gianni wrote:
> >>
> >> Josep, the disks may be the same in capacity,
but they aren't
> >> completely
> >> identical.  It's fairly obvious one is a
Seagate and the other is
> >> HP/Compaq drive.
> >
> > Yes, I know. It is difficult to have exactlly the
same model when
> > you buy a
> > machine to HP in Spain. First disk comes with the
machine and the
> > second in
> > a separate box. But I have many machines like this
using gmirror
> > and no
> > problem up to now.
> 
> IBM's OEMed LSI SAS RAID-controllers (in the blades)
likes to have
> identical drives with identical firmware-revisions,
before it even
> lets you create a RAID1.
> That's why you (supposedly) pay a premium for IBM and
HP: they are
> supposed to stock enough spare parts so that they can
still supply
> you with them in a couple of years down the road.

Ok, I know too. Dell & others also ... But I'm in a
school and we don't have 
money to buy servers like you explain. Just two disks with
software mirror 
(gmirror), not RAID controllers ...

> >> This is very likely **not** the cause of the
DMA errors you're
> >> seeing, but I did want to take a moment to
state that mix-matching
> >> drives with different semantics in a mirror is
somewhat risky.
> >
> > No other solution. If one disk fails and I have to
change it I'm
> > quite sure
> > I will not find the same model. Same geometry yes,
but exactly the
> > same
> > model not.
> 
> HP should be able to deliver!
> If not, I'd not bother with their stuff and just order
Tyan-barebones
> right away.
> 
> IMO, the low-end HP stuff is not worth the trouble -
anything below
> DL360 is so cheap that I'd have problems calling it a
"server" actually.
> 
> I think I'd rather buy a DL380 from ebay - because
those are rock-
> solid and use decent hardware. The rest are just
"Me too"-products so
> that the roadmap starts at a lower entry price
(somebody obviously
> got annoyed of all the
"HP"="high-price" babble)

We have many G4 (HP Proliant ML110) well working with
FreeBSD 6.2. But it 
seems like ML110 G5 and FreeBSD 7.0 can't work without
problems.

On the other hand we bought also one HP Proliant ML310 G5.
FreeBSD 7.0 is 
working without problems in this machine. The disk
controller seems to be 
the same if I use:

# pciconf -lv

Regards,

Josep Pujadas

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