Gnats

I was looking through gnats a little bit today, and I
noticed a number
of semi-bogus PRs -- things that were fixed, duplicates,
whatever

I would fix this but I have insufficient permissions.  Would
anybody
mind if I upped my permissions and did a pass to close the
obviously
fixed things?

Or, someone volunteer and I will send a to-close list.

Tom

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:14:43PM -0600, Tom Tromey wrote:
> I was looking through gnats a little bit today, and I
noticed a number
> of semi-bogus PRs -- things that were fixed,
duplicates, whatever
> 
> I would fix this but I have insufficient permissions. 
Would anybody
> mind if I upped my permissions and did a pass to close
the obviously
> fixed things?

Not at all; I gather you can.  In fact as far as I can see
you already
should be able to.  Sure you got the right password?  You
have almost
the only changed password in the entire gnats access file,
and it
looks suspiciously like a typo.

In related news, who thinks we should bite the bullet and
migrate to
the sourceware bugzilla installation?

-- 
Daniel Jacobowitz
CodeSourcery

>>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Jacobowitz
<drowfalse.org> writes:

Daniel> Not at all; I gather you can.  In fact as far as
I can see you
Daniel> already should be able to.  Sure you got the
right password?

I must have had the wrong password.  #$# gnats.
Thanks, I'll make a quick pass over some bugs.

Daniel> You have almost the only changed password in the
entire gnats
Daniel> access file, and it looks suspiciously like a
typo.

What mine follows was the old password convention 

Daniel> In related news, who thinks we should bite the
bullet and migrate to
Daniel> the sourceware bugzilla installation?

I would have mentioned this but didn't want to volunteer.

Tom

> In related news, who thinks we should bite the bullet
and migrate to
> the sourceware bugzilla installation?

Perhaps I don't use the current bugs database enough to see
the problems
that come with it. But I think whether the switch will be
useful or not
depends on how much resources we would have available to
monitor the
contents of the database. Right now, it feel like very
little effort is
spent using the current bugs database, and so a switch
wouldn't bring
much benefit.

-- 
Joel

>>>>> "Joel" == Joel Brobecker
<brobeckeradacore.com> writes:

>> In related news, who thinks we should bite the
bullet and migrate to
>> the sourceware bugzilla installation?

Joel> Perhaps I don't use the current bugs database
enough to see the
Joel> problems that come with it.

The gnats web interface has some annoying problems, that's
for sure.
Also, some simple operations cannot be done.  For instance,
you can't
easily mark a bug as a duplicate.

Joel> But I think whether the switch will be useful or
not
Joel> depends on how much resources we would have
available to monitor the
Joel> contents of the database. Right now, it feel like
very little effort is
Joel> spent using the current bugs database, and so a
switch wouldn't bring
Joel> much benefit.

Today I went through 1/2 to 2/3 of the bugs, looking for
dead stuff.
There was less than I thought, but still a bit.  Also there
are a few
relatively straightforward patches that have been sitting
there
unviewed -- not to mention bigger, useful stuff like the
'try/except'
patch.

I agree that changing bug systems will only have a minimal
effect, if
any, on this sort of thing.  So, consider this a plea for a
bit more
attention to the bug database from maintainers 

Tom

Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> You have almost
> the only changed password in the entire gnats access
file

When I was first signed up to gnats I tried to change my
password and 
found no way to do it. :(

I wasn't that bothered at the time, but I suspect you just
told anybody 
who knows what the default is, exactly what every password
in the system is.

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 09:53:25AM +0000, Andrew STUBBS
wrote:
> I wasn't that bothered at the time, but I suspect you
just told anybody  
> who knows what the default is, exactly what every
password in the system 
> is.

To be frank, I don't care; changes go out to a mailing list,
and if we
have problems we can restore.  It seems vanishingly unlikely


-- 
Daniel Jacobowitz
CodeSourcery

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Joel Brobecker
<brobeckeradacore.com> wrote:
> > In related news, who thinks we should bite the
bullet and migrate to
>  > the sourceware bugzilla installation?
>
>  Perhaps I don't use the current bugs database enough
to see the problems
>  that come with it. But I think whether the switch will
be useful or not
>  depends on how much resources we would have available
to monitor the
>  contents of the database. Right now, it feel like very
little effort is
>  spent using the current bugs database, and so a switch
wouldn't bring
>  much benefit.

FWIW, the exact same thing was true with GCC when it was
using GNATS.
No GCC dev's used it or paid attention, etc.
Within 2 months of the switch, there were even dedicated
people
monitoring the database that came out of the woodwork
(andrew pinski,
for example), and developers were using it.
It turns out if you have tools that suck, people don't use
them