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Windows Installer on OSNews
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Germany
2007-12-26 04:59:47
<http://www.osnews.com/story.php/19083/GNUstep
-Windows-Installer>

GNUstep gets some publicity, this is great.


Going to GNUsteps web site <http://www.gnustep
.org/experience/ 
Windows.html>, I think this could be phrased better.

Cite:

"The current installer is minimally usable and has only
been tested  
in a few configurations (NT, XP). It does not work on 64-bit
systems."

-> "The current installer is usable and has been
tested on Windows NT  
and XP (32 bit)."

(With XP 32-bit you catch about 80% of the potential market
already,  
most other packages don't even care about the other 20%.)


Cite:

"It most likely will not work if you don't have
Administrator access.  
It also only sets things up correctly for the current user,
not for  
any other users on the system."

-> "Administrator access is needed and things will
be set up for the  
current user."

(This is pretty common on Windows)


Cite:
"User Installer
If you just want to run GNUstep applications GNUstep-User -
Not  
available yet."

Well, if there's no User Installer yet, why do you
distinguish it  
from the Developer Installer at all? Just talk about _the_
Installer.  
The working Installer, of course.


The reason I'm writing this is, this page perfectly
demonstrates what  
I consider as one of the reasons why GNUstep gets so few
public  
notification. Did you notice all the "not work",
"minimally usable"  
and "not available"? About any other computer
project in the world  
praises what works and how great and shiny everything is,
but GNUstep  
is in a hurry to tell about what doesn't work, where you
have to wait  
and where to expect failures. This is pointless.

People want to listen to great, working stuff. If the
Installer works  
at all, this is an advantage over many other systems
already. So,  
treat it like that.

Bugs are nasty, but many people won't even notice them. So
why  
talking about and even putting emphasis on them? After all,
bugs (if  
they appear at all) are a perfect chance to demonstrate
GNUstep's  
well working and very responsive tracking system.

In case you get a User Installer ready, heck, that'd be
great news.  
Nobody expected this, but GNUsteppers surprised with
useability again!


Have fun,
Markus

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter
http://www.jump-ing.de/






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Re: Windows Installer on OSNews
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2007-12-26 10:04:16
On Dec 26, 2007, at 3:59 AM, Markus Hitter wrote:

>
> <http://www.osnews.com/story.php/19083/GNUstep
-Windows-Installer>
>
> GNUstep gets some publicity, this is great.
>
>
> Going to GNUsteps web site <http://www.gnustep
.org/experience/ 
> Windows.html>, I think this could be phrased
better.
>
>
Thanks. I made some updates.  I wonder if there are any
on-line PR  
classes? 


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Re: Windows Installer on OSNews
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2007-12-26 12:33:47
Am 26.12.2007 um 17:04 schrieb Adam Fedor:

>
> On Dec 26, 2007, at 3:59 AM, Markus Hitter wrote:
>
>>
>> <http://www.osnews.com/story.php/19083/GNUstep
-Windows-Installer>
>>
>> GNUstep gets some publicity, this is great.
>>
>>
>> Going to GNUsteps web site <http://www.gnustep
.org/experience/ 
>> Windows.html>, I think this could be phrased
better.
>>
>>
> Thanks. I made some updates.

Really? Here it still reads:

State

The current installer has been tested in a few
configurations (NT,  
XP). It does not work on 64-bit systems. It most likely will
not work  
if you don't have Administrator access. It also only sets
things up  
correctly for the current user, not for any other users on
the  
system. Please report any other bugs or issues to us.

> I wonder if there are any on-line PR classes? 
>
>
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RE: Windows Installer on OSNews
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2007-12-26 14:30:53
> Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf

> > Am 26.12.2007 um 17:04 schrieb Adam Fedor:

>
> > On Dec 26, 2007, at 3:59 AM, Markus Hitter wrote:
> >
> >> Going to GNUsteps web site <http://www.gnustep
.org/experience/
> >> Windows.html>, I think this could be
phrased better.
> >
> > Thanks. I made some updates.

> Really? Here it still reads:

> State

> The current installer has been tested in a few
configurations (NT,
XP).
> It does not work on 64-bit systems. It most likely will
not work if
you
> don't have Administrator access. It also only sets
things up correctly
> for the current user, not for any other users on the
system.
> Please report any other bugs or issues to us.

But I think it's okay to be open and direct about what works
and what
does
not and what to expect!

Markus Hitter wrote:

> People want to listen to great, working stuff.

Only if they later get the stuff and it really appears
great and working. Otherwise, big disappointment happens!

> Bugs are nasty, but many people won't even notice
them.
> So why talking about and even putting emphasis on
them?

To be honest to ourselves.

> Cite:
> "User Installer
> If you just want to run GNUstep applications
GNUstep-User - Not
available yet."
>
> Well, if there's no User Installer yet, why do you
distinguish it
> from the Developer Installer at all? Just talk about
_the_ Installer.



Here I agree. It's best if non-working features are just
hidden, no need
to talk about them. But it's minor compared to the general
idea on what
is good and bad to tell. In my humble opinion, to tell
existing
limitations
upfront is good.

Happy New Year to everyone,
Tima



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Re: Windows Installer on OSNews
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2007-12-26 15:29:45
Am 26.12.2007 um 21:30 schrieb Vaisburd, Haim:

>> Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf
>
>>> Am 26.12.2007 um 17:04 schrieb Adam Fedor:
>
>>
>>> On Dec 26, 2007, at 3:59 AM, Markus Hitter
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Going to GNUsteps web site <http://www.gnustep
.org/experience/
>>>> Windows.html>, I think this could be
phrased better.
>>>
>>> Thanks. I made some updates.
>
>> Really? Here it still reads:
>
>> State
>
>> The current installer has been tested in a few
configurations (NT,
> XP).
>> It does not work on 64-bit systems. It most likely
will not work if
> you
>> don't have Administrator access. It also only sets
things up  
>> correctly
>> for the current user, not for any other users on
the system.
>> Please report any other bugs or issues to us.
>
> But I think it's okay to be open and direct about what
works and what
> does
> not and what to expect!

Yes, that's correct. But we could express it in a positive
way, e.g.  
"works for 32 bit NT and XP with administrator
access" sounds better  
and says the same

regards and happy new year,

	Lars


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