Amarok need Ruby??

Yesterday I had jave tried to setup amarok 1.4.4 instead of
1.3.8. I had very 
surprised and _very_ frustrated, when I have seen, that
amarok port tried to 
install Ruby!! Why? Why 1.3.8 didn't need it, but 1.4.4
need? What is a awful 
trend? CVsup need Modula, and I must install it. KOffice
need Pyton and I 
have to install it, in spite of that I do not need Python
completely for my 
work and it messed only my HDD. Now amarok need Ruby?
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On Tuesday 12 December 2006 14:53, Marek Franke wrote:
> 
> "Rashid N. Achilov" <achilov-rnaskd.ru> schrieb: Yesterday I had jave tried 
to setup amarok 1.4.4 instead of 1.3.8. I had very 
> surprised and _very_ frustrated, when I have seen, that
amarok port tried to 
> install Ruby!! Why? Why 1.3.8 didn't need it, but 1.4.4
need? What is a 

> AFAIK amarok need ruby because there are some plugins
based on ruby. 
> Marek

Well, probably. How can I switch off these plugins? I did
not need it at 
1.3.8, so I won't need it and 1.4.4
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On Tuesday 12 December 2006 12:07, Rashid N. Achilov wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 December 2006 14:53, Marek Franke wrote:
> > "Rashid N. Achilov" <achilov-rnaskd.ru> schrieb: Yesterday I had jave
> > tried
>
> to setup amarok 1.4.4 instead of 1.3.8. I had very
>
> > surprised and _very_ frustrated, when I have seen,
that amarok port tried
> > to install Ruby!! Why? Why 1.3.8 didn't need it,
but 1.4.4 need? What is
> > a
> >
> > AFAIK amarok need ruby because there are some
plugins based on ruby.
> > Marek
>
> Well, probably. How can I switch off these plugins? I
did not need it at
> 1.3.8, so I won't need it and 1.4.4

Things like this are usually an option of the
"configure" script used to set 
the build options before compiling.

I'm a bit suprised about KOffice though, because I thought
it was using the 
Kross multi-language engine. Maybe the package you are using
includes Python 
scripts and therefore depends on Python rather than
suggesting it as an 
option.

IIRC Kross will be moving to the KDE libs for KDE4 and
applications won't have 
to decide on a certain scripting language, but for KDE3 they
unfortunately 
have if they want to provide extensibility for non-C++
coders.

However, as I wrote above, such features are usually a build
time option can 
the applications are usually able to build without if told
so.

Cheers,
Kevin

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On Tuesday 12 December 2006 5:07 am, Rashid N. Achilov
wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 December 2006 14:53, Marek Franke wrote:
> > "Rashid N. Achilov" <achilov-rnaskd.ru> schrieb: Yesterday I had jave
> > tried
>
> to setup amarok 1.4.4 instead of 1.3.8. I had very
>
> > surprised and _very_ frustrated, when I have seen,
that amarok port tried
> > to install Ruby!! Why? Why 1.3.8 didn't need it,
but 1.4.4 need? What is
> > a
> >
> > AFAIK amarok need ruby because there are some
plugins based on ruby.
> > Marek
>
> Well, probably. How can I switch off these plugins? I
did not need it at
> 1.3.8, so I won't need it and 1.4.4

I'm still  not sure what the big deal is.  What's the
problem with installing 
python and ruby?  What problems would having them installed
cause?
I have them all on my laptop, and pc and I don't have any
issues that I'm 
aware of that are caused by that.  Maybe if you share what
problems it causes 
on your PC we'll have cause to investigate a hitherto
unknown connection to 
another problem.
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understanding
	 to God revealing, and the product of that is the obedience
	 of the will to God commanding."
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On Wednesday 13 December 2006 12:03, Howard Coles jr wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 December 2006 5:07 am, Rashid N. Achilov
wrote:
> > On Tuesday 12 December 2006 14:53, Marek Franke
wrote:
> > > "Rashid N. Achilov"
<achilov-rnaskd.ru> schrieb: Yesterday I had jave
> > > tried
> >
> > to setup amarok 1.4.4 instead of 1.3.8. I had very
> >
> > > surprised and _very_ frustrated, when I have
seen, that amarok port
> > > tried to install Ruby!! Why? Why 1.3.8 didn't
need it, but 1.4.4 need?
> > > What is a
> > >
> > > AFAIK amarok need ruby because there are some
plugins based on ruby.
> > > Marek
> >
> > Well, probably. How can I switch off these
plugins? I did not need it at
> > 1.3.8, so I won't need it and 1.4.4
>
> I'm still  not sure what the big deal is.  What's the
problem with
> installing python and ruby?  What problems would having
them installed
> cause? I have them all on my laptop, and pc and I don't
have any issues
> that I'm aware of that are caused by that.  Maybe if
you share what
> problems it causes on your PC we'll have cause to
investigate a hitherto
> unknown connection to another problem.

No, they won't cause a problem as almost 90% of the desktop
UNIX-like systems 
I've seen have perl, python, etc. installed at the same
time. The issue that 
some seem to have is the added "bloat" to their
install. Really it's not that 
big of a deal since if I look at the information provided by
my package 
manager I see that ruby is give or take around four MB in
size. In a day when 
we've disk drives in the 250 to 300 GB size range, four
megabytes of used 
space is nothing to worry about.

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On Wednesday 13 December 2006 11:16 am, Gary L. Greene, Jr.
wrote:
> On Wednesday 13 December 2006 12:03, Howard Coles jr
wrote:
> > On Tuesday 12 December 2006 5:07 am, Rashid N.
Achilov wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 12 December 2006 14:53, Marek
Franke wrote:
> > > > "Rashid N. Achilov"
<achilov-rnaskd.ru> schrieb: Yesterday I had
> > > > jave tried
> > >
> > > to setup amarok 1.4.4 instead of 1.3.8. I had
very
> > >
> > > > surprised and _very_ frustrated, when I
have seen, that amarok port
> > > > tried to install Ruby!! Why? Why 1.3.8
didn't need it, but 1.4.4
> > > > need? What is a
> > > >
> > > > AFAIK amarok need ruby because there are
some plugins based on ruby.
> > > > Marek
> > >
> > > Well, probably. How can I switch off these
plugins? I did not need it
> > > at 1.3.8, so I won't need it and 1.4.4
> >
> > I'm still  not sure what the big deal is.  What's
the problem with
> > installing python and ruby?  What problems would
having them installed
> > cause? I have them all on my laptop, and pc and I
don't have any issues
> > that I'm aware of that are caused by that.  Maybe
if you share what
> > problems it causes on your PC we'll have cause to
investigate a hitherto
> > unknown connection to another problem.
>
> No, they won't cause a problem as almost 90% of the
desktop UNIX-like
> systems I've seen have perl, python, etc. installed at
the same time. The
> issue that some seem to have is the added
"bloat" to their install. Really
> it's not that big of a deal since if I look at the
information provided by
> my package manager I see that ruby is give or take
around four MB in size.
> In a day when we've disk drives in the 250 to 300 GB
size range, four
> megabytes of used space is nothing to worry about.

Well, I can see on a small hard drive, or low on memory type
machine this 
might be an issue.  But, usually you're not going to be
running Amarok unless 
you have enough space for mp3's or ogg files.

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On Wednesday 13 December 2006 13:21, Howard Coles jr wrote:
> On Wednesday 13 December 2006 11:16 am, Gary L. Greene,
Jr. wrote:
> > On Wednesday 13 December 2006 12:03, Howard Coles
jr wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 12 December 2006 5:07 am, Rashid
N. Achilov wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday 12 December 2006 14:53, Marek
Franke wrote:
> > > > > "Rashid N. Achilov"
<achilov-rnaskd.ru> schrieb: Yesterday I had
> > > > > jave tried
> > > >
> > > > to setup amarok 1.4.4 instead of 1.3.8.
I had very
> > > >
> > > > > surprised and _very_ frustrated,
when I have seen, that amarok port
> > > > > tried to install Ruby!! Why? Why
1.3.8 didn't need it, but 1.4.4
> > > > > need? What is a
> > > > >
> > > > > AFAIK amarok need ruby because
there are some plugins based on
> > > > > ruby. Marek
> > > >
> > > > Well, probably. How can I switch off
these plugins? I did not need it
> > > > at 1.3.8, so I won't need it and 1.4.4
> > >
> > > I'm still  not sure what the big deal is. 
What's the problem with
> > > installing python and ruby?  What problems
would having them installed
> > > cause? I have them all on my laptop, and pc
and I don't have any issues
> > > that I'm aware of that are caused by that. 
Maybe if you share what
> > > problems it causes on your PC we'll have
cause to investigate a
> > > hitherto unknown connection to another
problem.
> >
> > No, they won't cause a problem as almost 90% of
the desktop UNIX-like
> > systems I've seen have perl, python, etc.
installed at the same time. The
> > issue that some seem to have is the added
"bloat" to their install.
> > Really it's not that big of a deal since if I look
at the information
> > provided by my package manager I see that ruby is
give or take around
> > four MB in size. In a day when we've disk drives
in the 250 to 300 GB
> > size range, four megabytes of used space is
nothing to worry about.
>
> Well, I can see on a small hard drive, or low on memory
type machine this
> might be an issue.  But, usually you're not going to be
running Amarok
> unless you have enough space for mp3's or ogg files.

Even then this wouldn't be an issue on low RAM systems as
the plugins aren't 
loaded all the time, thus don't need the scripting
interpreters in RAM 
constantly. Small hard disks are where the issue really is,
but I can safely 
say that anyone who is installing Amarok via source should
have enough space 
to hold ruby along with the other interpreters.

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On Wednesday 13 December 2006 23:03, Howard Coles jr wrote:

> I'm still  not sure what the big deal is.  What's the
problem with 
installing 
> python and ruby?  What problems would having them
installed cause?
> I have them all on my laptop, and pc and I don't have
any issues that I'm 
> aware of that are caused by that.  Maybe if you share
what problems it 
causes 
> on your PC we'll have cause to investigate a hitherto
unknown connection to 
> another problem.

Is it Windows, that I should have a big pile of completely
useless software? I 
prefer know, what reason is to have at my HDD some files. I
prefer install 
only software, which I really need. Probably, Ruby will use
for one-two 
plugins, which I'll never use - why I should have "some
one" useless package?
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On 18.12.2006 12:04, Rashid N. Achilov wrote:
> Is it Windows, that I should have a big pile of
completely useless
> software? I prefer know, what reason is to have at my
HDD some files. I
> prefer install only software, which I really need.
Probably, Ruby will use
> for one-two plugins, which I'll never use - why I
should have "some one"
> useless package?

If you are so upset with installing ruby, don't. You can
force installing 
amarok without meeting the requirements. I don't know
however, why the big 
fuss. There are probably quite many other packages installed
on your system 
for similar reasons, and you don't seem to complain about
those.

Even if amarok doesn't need ruby, but only the scripts do,
it is a requirement 
as long as the scripts come packed within amarok's package.

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