Are you guys for real?

Jayson Vaughn wrote:
> Ok,
> Gentoo is over.  As an outsider who has been following
gentoo-dev and
> other gentoo lists for a while, this is just completely
nuts. 
> Is there any order or clear idea anymore for this
distro?  No other
> distro seems to be as lost or confused as Gentoo is. 
And WTF is this
> list going to discuss development?  Do you guys develop
ANYTHING?  Or Do
> you just bitch all day?   Good bye Gentoo, when you
grow up and know
> what your goals are etc I'll be back.  Love the distro,
but Jesus the
> politics and the bitching gets out.
> 
> Just an observation from the outside.
> 
> 
> 
> 
Are you for real?  Normally its the dev's who scream and
rant on the way
out, not the users...
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> Are you for real?  Normally its the dev's who scream
and rant on the way
> out, not the users...

Touché 
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On 6/13/07, Jayson Vaughn <thedonvaughngmail.com> wrote:
> Ok,
> Gentoo is over.  As an outsider who has been following
gentoo-dev and other
> gentoo lists for a while, this is just completely
nuts.
> Is there any order or clear idea anymore for this
distro?  No other distro
> seems to be as lost or confused as Gentoo is.  And WTF
is this list going to
> discuss development?  Do you guys develop ANYTHING?  Or
Do you just bitch
> all day?   Good bye Gentoo, when you grow up and know
what your goals are
> etc I'll be back.  Love the distro, but Jesus the
politics and the bitching
> gets out.
>
> Just an observation from the outside.
>

kthxbai

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Throwing fresh
logs on the fire doesn't help (and neither did this email,
but I had
to say it).
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Jayson Vaughn wrote:
> Ok,
> Gentoo is over.

Hardly 

> As an outsider who has been following gentoo-dev and
> other gentoo lists for a while, this is just completely
nuts.

Seen worse 

> Is there any order or clear idea anymore for this
distro?  No other
> distro seems to be as lost or confused as Gentoo is.

Are you following also mail lists of other distros?

> And WTF is this
> list going to discuss development?  Do you guys develop
ANYTHING?  Or Do
> you just bitch all day?

Yep there's still development going on, devs commit ebuilds
and stuff.
Also, as said many times, number of devs participating in
flamewars here
is pretty low compared to number of all devs... Most people
really just
silently develop.

> Good bye Gentoo, when you grow up and know
> what your goals are etc I'll be back.  Love the distro,
but Jesus the
> politics and the bitching gets out.

Just unsubscribe the list and you won't see it 
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I don't agree. Gentoo is not over.

But, is hard to believe that gentoo are going to survive.

Fights, public discussions, complains about proctors, CoC
draft, so
many good developers retiring and bad publicity (or fights 
in this
list are good thing?? )

Nowadays, this list looks more like a fight ring than a dev
list.

I'm using gentoo for 4 years, I love emerge, I enjoy to be
part of
gentoobr( Gentoo Brazilian community ), I'm always helping
at gentoobr
and gentoo-chat. I really enjoy gentoo.

[]'s

Hélder

On 6/13/07, Jayson Vaughn <thedonvaughngmail.com> wrote:
> Ok,
> Gentoo is over.  As an outsider who has been following
gentoo-dev and other
> gentoo lists for a while, this is just completely
nuts.
> Is there any order or clear idea anymore for this
distro?  No other distro
> seems to be as lost or confused as Gentoo is.  And WTF
is this list going to
> discuss development?  Do you guys develop ANYTHING?  Or
Do you just bitch
> all day?   Good bye Gentoo, when you grow up and know
what your goals are
> etc I'll be back.  Love the distro, but Jesus the
politics and the bitching
> gets out.
>
> Just an observation from the outside.
>
>
>
>
>


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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:17:37 -0500
"Jayson Vaughn" <thedonvaughngmail.com> wrote:

> Ok,
> Gentoo is over.  As an outsider who has been following
gentoo-dev and
> other gentoo lists for a while, this is just completely
nuts.
> Is there any order or clear idea anymore for this
distro?  No other
> distro seems to be as lost or confused as Gentoo is. 
And WTF is this
> list going to discuss development?  Do you guys develop
ANYTHING?  Or
> Do you just bitch all day?   Good bye Gentoo, when you
grow up and
> know what your goals are etc I'll be back.  Love the
distro, but
> Jesus the politics and the bitching gets out.
> 
> Just an observation from the outside.

If you watch cia.vc, you would see that Gentoo is more often
than not
*the* most active project, surely this must be a sign of at
least a
*little* bit of activity? Just 'cos a small minority of us
love the
occasional flamewar here and there doesn't mean that the
other >80% or
so developers suddenly lay down and die... silly.

Oh, also, some of us can bitch and develop at once. Y'know.
We have
like 8 arms. And we control like 4 computers at once *nod*.
Kinda like
this dude here:
http://www.watauga.k12.nc.us/hp/images/oc
topus_working_on_pc_hg_clr.gif
But with more computers. Yar.

Now, please stop all your flamebaiting, bitching, etc, etc.
Thanks. 

welp

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:53:40 +0100
Peter Weller <welpgentoo.org> wrote:

[..snip..]

> Oh, also, some of us can bitch and develop at once.
Y'know. We have
> like 8 arms. And we control like 4 computers at once
*nod*. Kinda like
> this dude here:
> http://www.watauga.k12.nc.us/hp/images/oc
topus_working_on_pc_hg_clr.gif
> But with more computers. Yar.
> 
> Now, please stop all your flamebaiting, bitching, etc,
etc. Thanks. 
> 
> welp

(BTW, I'm not sure if he's real or not...)

On 6/13/07, Jayson Vaughn <thedonvaughngmail.com> wrote:
> Ok,
> Gentoo is over.

Gentoo can't be over!  I still have $10 riding on Gentoo
having a
larger market share than Windows Vista in 5 years!   I still
think I
will win 
-Codeman
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On 6/14/07, Jayson Vaughn <thedonvaughngmail.com> wrote:

> etc I'll be back.  Love the distro, but Jesus the
politics and the bitching
> gets out.
>

>From one non-dev to another:

You'll be back.

Once somebody has learnt the truth, most find they can only
deny it
for so long. 

I agree a lot of the discussions turn into bitchfests, and
it seems
many of our developers are going out of their way as of late
to stir
the pot, but its well known that a small minority of whiners
gives the
majority a bad name( not to go into politics, but take a
look at
muslims & christians in modern media, its always the
extremists who
are out there making the rest of them look bad by carrying
their name
)

Also, I guess if you went into the chambers of your local
government
it would often escillate into flamewars, at least thats what
I've
gathered from the media..( .. unless thats only a small
minority of
politicians making the rest look bad.....)

But  as a whole, at least in my opinion, you wont find a so
well
structured community comprised with such a high percentage
of people
who know what they're talking about. ( I find $OTHEROS
rooms
frustrating as they're all full of the noobs asking 
questions with
nobody who knows the answer.. its like a damn MSDN blog
reply
list....'liek..zomg!..vista is so cool'  )


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