Re: Re: Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08

On 2007.07.21 10:47, Peter Weller wrote:

[snip]
> 
> Yes, I will accept.
> 
> My main plans over the next few years would be to
improve
> communications (and (more importantly?) openness), not
just between
> developers, but also between herds, users, the Council,
the Trustees,
> upstream and so on. I'd particularly want to ensure
that there is
> better
> communication between us (Gentoo) and projects such as
Sabayon Linux
> and Ainkaboot, as I believe that we can all make use of
each other's
> skills and ideas to provide better distribution(s). I'd
encourage
> "innovative" ideas and projects, such as the
inclusion of, for
> example,
> XGL/Compiz/Beryl/Compiz-Fusion or whatever it's called
these days. 
> I'd
> also encourage the introduction of targets, as
discussed by antarus 
> on
> the -core ML. And all that kinda stuff.
> 
> Now, I'm sure that a number of you would prefer
everything to be
> closed, kept private within a number of individuals,
but if that *is*
> the case, why on Earth are you involved with an *Open*
Source 
> project,
> such as Gentoo? Wouldn't you be better off using the
likes of Adobe's
> products and Microsoft's products?
> 
> Yes, I am quite young. Yes, I could be considered
relatively new to
> the
> project. Yes, I might make mistakes, but I also *learn*
from 
> mistakes,
> which some people seem to find hard. Being
young/relatively new to 
> the
> project will allow me to potentially bring a fresh view
on things,
> that
> some of you old fuddy-duddies may or may not have
thought of before.
> And isn't that what Gentoo is about? New ideas,
innovation, fresh
> views, etc, etc. Anyway. Meh. I'm starting to waffle
on.
> 
> And I'm moving house at the beginning of August, I'm
also going to
> France sometime in August. Just some advanced warnings
that I may not
> be around so much during the voting period.
> 
> Bai!
> 

Peter,

That's the beginnings of a good election manifesto. All the
candidates 
need to explain, if they are elected :- 

1. What they will do
2. Why they will do it
3. How they will do it
4. Timescales for their plans.

This information will allow the electorate to choose a team
with 
similar aims, so we get a cohesive council, not a collection
of 
individuals trying to take Gentoo in different directions. 

Any candidate unwilling to prepare such a manifesto should
withdraw now 
as they clearly don't have the time or interest to take an
active seat 
on the council.

Like it or not, the council is more of a social/political
body than a 
development body.

Regards,

Roy Bamford,
(NeddySeagoon) 
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Roy Bamford <neddyseagoongentoo.org> wrote:
>>On 2007.07.21 10:47, Peter Weller wrote:
>>
>> My main plans over the next few years would be to
improve 
>> communications (and (more importantly?) openness),
not just between 
>> developers, but also between herds, users, the
Council, the Trustees, 
>> upstream and so on. 
>>
>> I'd particularly want to ensure that there is 
>> better communication between us (Gentoo) and
projects such as Sabayon 
>> Linux and Ainkaboot, as I believe that we can all
make use of each 
>> other's skills and ideas to provide better
distribution(s). 
>>
>> I'd encourage "innovative" ideas and
projects, such as the inclusion of, 
>> for example, XGL/Compiz/Beryl/Compiz-Fusion or
whatever it's called 
>> these days.
>>
>> I'd also encourage the introduction of targets, as
discussed by antarus
on 
>> the -core ML. And all that kinda stuff.

> That's the beginnings of a good election manifesto. All
the candidates
need
> to explain, if they are elected :- 
> 1. What they will do
> 2. Why they will do it
> 3. How they will do it
> 4. Timescales for their plans.

> This information will allow the electorate to choose a
team with similar
aims, so
> we get a cohesive council, not a collection of
individuals trying to take
Gentoo
> in different directions. 

I like this line of thinking, it really helps the rest of us
in our voting
decisions when we know what your plans are. I also agree
with Neddy when he
says it would be best if we could elect a council with
similar ideas instead
of each person potentially having completely different
ideas.
That said, I don't think the questions Neddy stated above
should wait to be
answered until someone is elected, we'd really need to know
that up front to
make an informed decision.
Welp it appears to me that you had four plans in your email,
and by the way
thank you for being first to state them. Could you go back
over them and
respond to the how you would plan on doing it and under what
time frame?
(Innovative ideas are great, but don't mean much if they
cant be executed.)

Kind regards,
Christina Fullam
Gentoo Developer Relations Lead | GWN Author

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On Sat, 2007-07-21 at 13:31 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote:
> That's the beginnings of a good election manifesto. All
the candidates 
> need to explain, if they are elected :- 
> 
> 1. What they will do
> 2. Why they will do it
> 3. How they will do it
> 4. Timescales for their plans.

5. Experience doing similar things in other arenas
6. Why they think they're qualified for the position
7. How they plan on adding the Council work into their
normal Gentoo
work load
8. How much time they have to dedicate to Council tasks

These last two are probably some of the most important to
me, since I
have seen first-hand how much time the Council can take. 
Here's a
glimpse, for the rest of you... When the Council was working
on the CoC,
I spent in excess of 50 hours in one week working solely on
the CoC.
This means I put my actual paying job on the back burner for
the Council
because I pretty much had to do so.  The Council is *not*
only a once a
month job.  You're a Council member every hour of every day
for a year.

> This information will allow the electorate to choose a
team with 
> similar aims, so we get a cohesive council, not a
collection of 
> individuals trying to take Gentoo in different
directions. 

I know that I will likely be choosing people of a like mind
to myself.
I'll also probably be picking people the *least* likely to
be pushing
for a ton of changes, simply because I also don't think we
need 7 people
pushing in 7 directions only trying to get *their* ideas
enacted.

> Any candidate unwilling to prepare such a manifesto
should withdraw now 
> as they clearly don't have the time or interest to take
an active seat 
> on the council.

Agreed.

> Like it or not, the council is more of a
social/political body than a 
> development body.

This is really true.  While the Council is the main
technical body, we
tend to make technical decisions very quickly and without
controversy.
Social/political issues are almost always very long-running
and tend to
take up more of our time.  If I were to guess, I would say
that 90% of
what we do is technical, but the 10% that is non-technical
takes up 90%
of our time.

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Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams
Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee
Gentoo Foundation