Gmail + Email Client = No way

On Sunday 27 August 2006 00:37, Samuel Baldwin wrote:
> For last year or so, I've been using Gmail with
Firefox, all in browser,
> and have wanted to move to a local email client (using
Thunderbird or
> Sylpheed-Claws).
> Unfortunately, the only time I have had any success
with this was with the
> Windows port of Thunderbird. 

Assuming that the behaviour of Thunderbird is the same on
both OS' then it may 
have something to do with the default settings (ie. format,
locale, etc.) for 
date/month/year on your display manager?

> Otherwise, it only grabs about a hundred or so 
> emails at a time, and will never get the latest emails.

Just to prove the case, have you tried Kmail?

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Mick wrote:
> On Sunday 27 August 2006 00:37, Samuel Baldwin wrote:
>> For last year or so, I've been using Gmail with
Firefox, all in browser,
>> and have wanted to move to a local email client
(using Thunderbird or
>> Sylpheed-Claws).
>> Unfortunately, the only time I have had any success
with this was with the
>> Windows port of Thunderbird. 
> 
> Assuming that the behaviour of Thunderbird is the same
on both OS' then it may 
> have something to do with the default settings (ie.
format, locale, etc.) for 
> date/month/year on your display manager?
> 
>> Otherwise, it only grabs about a hundred or so 
>> emails at a time, and will never get the latest
emails.
> 
> Just to prove the case, have you tried Kmail?
> 


Although, I don't have any insight into your issue, FWIW, I
use
Thunderbird just fine with gmail.  There is some delay, of
about 15
minutes or so, but it's never been an issue with me. 
Obviously, YMMV.

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El Domingo, 27 de Agosto de 2006 01:37, Samuel Baldwin
escribió:
> For last year or so, I've been using Gmail with
Firefox, all in browser,
> and have wanted to move to a local email client (using
Thunderbird or
> Sylpheed-Claws).
> Unfortunately, the only time I have had any success
with this was with the
> Windows port of Thunderbird. Otherwise, it only grabs
about a hundred or so
> emails at a time, and will never get the latest emails.
As well, the time
> coding is all messed up. I've got a few emails from
1904, and for some
> reason the 06/08/03 (2006 - August - 3rd, strange
order) appear before the
> 06/08/22 emails, no matter what I do. I've repeatedly
gone to gmail >
> settings > forwarding and POP and chose "all
emails", but whatever client
> will most definately not grab all emails. I know other
gmail users that
> have been very successful with email clients, and I
would very much like to
> be one of them.
>
> Is there a setting that needs to be switched on that I
missed? Do I need to
> just abandon the whole thing?
>
> Thanks,
Look for net-mail/freepops, thru it, ANY mail client should
be able to access 
hotmail and gmail (or any other web based) mail.

Jesús.

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On Sunday 27 August 2006 15:09, Samuel Baldwin wrote:

> As for KMail, Mick, that was the worst of all my
experiences. It wasn't
> just "messy" it was completely b0rked. It
would repeatedly grab the same
> emails (with the "get all in inbox" off),
adding about 3 or 4 every time.
> At that rate it would have taken me several days just
to get to where I
> was.

Sorry it didn't work out for you.  I seem to have no
problems using Kmail with 
my Gmail account and even on a new machine it downloaded all
my messages 
without any problem.  On the other hand I probably do not
have as many as 
you.

Good luck.  
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On Sunday 27 August 2006 00:54, Mick wrote:
> On Sunday 27 August 2006 00:37, Samuel Baldwin wrote:
> > For last year or so, I've been using Gmail with
Firefox, all in
> > browser, and have wanted to move to a local email
client (using
> > Thunderbird or Sylpheed-Claws).
> > Unfortunately, the only time I have had any
success with this was
> > with the Windows port of Thunderbird.
>
> Assuming that the behaviour of Thunderbird is the same
on both OS'
> then it may have something to do with the default
settings (ie.
> format, locale, etc.) for date/month/year on your
display manager?
>
> > Otherwise, it only grabs about a hundred or so
> > emails at a time, and will never get the latest
emails.

On a weekend I set up KMail with my GMail account.  About
6,000 threads.

What I did was set up the account and then enabled interval
checking for 
every minute and then went off and did other things while
ignoring 
KMail.

I'd suggest leaving the machine on overnight with KMail
using interval 
checking.

Now I'm using KMail and it works really really well.

> Just to prove the case, have you tried Kmail?

I've used both Thunderbird and KMail, and I like KMail
better.  
Thunderbird is supported by the Google how-to section,
however, it's 
really easy to set up in KMail.  Just look at the how to
setup 
instructions for Outlook and then just use some common sense
and it's 
really quite easy.

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On Sun, 27 Aug 2006, Lord Sauron wrote:
[...]
>>> Otherwise, it only grabs about a hundred or so
>>> emails at a time, and will never get the latest
emails.

Which is an issue with Gmail, I think.

> On a weekend I set up KMail with my GMail account. 
About 6,000 threads.
>
> What I did was set up the account and then enabled
interval checking for
> every minute and then went off and did other things
while ignoring
> KMail.
>
> I'd suggest leaving the machine on overnight with
KMail using interval
> checking.
[...]

Pine seems to work.  Are you using filters and so forth on
your gmail 
page?  Google is philosophically opposed, apparently, to
directories, so 
the way in which messages are stored by google is different,
of course, 
from how they're stored with whichever client you POP your
messages with, 
which will use directories.

There are weird behaviors, I believe, when first setting up
POP3 with 
google, in that not all the messages are grabbed.  However,
after that 
initial weirdness it's consistent, to my knowledge.

You can check (google) the archives for comp.mail.pine, and
probably other 
groups, about gmail weirdness, historically, at least.  It
might be better 
now.

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see: <ht
tp://hawat.thufir.googlepages.com/pinerc.txt> for a
.pinerc file 
which works with (my) gmail.


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I am currently using this mailing list on a Gmail account
with 
Thunderbird on Gentoo, never had problems. I can grab
hundreds of mails 
at a time etc.etc. - it just works, it seems. It's more
than a year that 
I use it this way.

Have you checked all your settings are in line with that
advised by 
gmail help pages?

m.
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On 8/26/06, Samuel Baldwin <shardz4217gmail.com> wrote:
> Unfortunately, the only time I have had any success
with this was with the
> Windows port of Thunderbird. Otherwise, it only grabs
about a hundred or so
> emails at a time, and will never get the latest emails.
As well, the time
> (...)

Samuel, I've had similar problems with Gmail, but I'm not
using
thunderbird. I was getting mail using standard fetchmail,
delivering
them to a local maildir and then using good old mutt to
display them.
I had to do this twice in the past, because my mailbox would
fill and
I had to empty it, so I could keep receiving mails (*yes*,
that's it,
I filled my 2.5gb inbox twice).
The problem I had was getting the mails in some strange
order, and
only by the hundreds. As I had about 30000 emails, I had to
keep
fetching and deleting until I got all mail. It's a bit
weird, but I'm
pretty sure this isn't an issue with thunderbird, but an
issue with
Google's POP server. It just doesn't show all your
messages if you
have lots of them. Maybe they do this to avoid trouble, as
if the
connection is broken before the client sends the QUIT
command, the
messages are not deleted.
Of course, I had Gmail set to delete mail already received
via POP, I
haven't tried without this set.

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