How to stop Gmail displaying primary address when sending from other account?

I have numerous email addresses which I'm managing in my
main Gmail
account.
It all works well, but I've discovered that when I send from
one of
the other accounts, when the recipient opens it, in the
'From'
section, it shows my address as being:

[email address] on behalf of Steven Mills [[email address]]

(where [email address]' is the main email address associated
with
the gmail account, and [email address]' is the other
external
account)

In other words, even though I'm sending from a non-Gmail
account,
because it's going through Gmail the recipient is made aware
of this.

Is there any way round this? I'm almost positive there's
nothing in
the settings- what about some script or add-on/plug-in for
Firefox
(which is my browser)?

Any help gratefully required.
Regards
Steven Mills


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When you send e-mail GMail sets a header attribute
"Sender"
https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=2
0616

Some e-mail clients, wrongly, use this field for the
"on behalf of"
type setting, which is not the purpose.  The purpose, and
why GMail is
setting it, is to aid receiving systems in spam detection. 
Normally
you want your from address "yourdomain.com" to
match a legal address
of the sending system "gmail.com".  Since they
don't, "Sender" is
included to show that you are a legal sender from the
"gmail.com"
domain.  This should prevent systems from marking your
message as
spam.

There are a couple ways you can "get around this"
but it's not well advised.

1) Use POP/SMTP.  Then you can send with your domain, and
"Sender"
will not be added (as far as I know).

2) Use Google Apps for your domain.  This is a separate
account, so it
doesn't set the "Sender" field.


On 9/4/07, 01steven <01stevengooglemail.com> wrote:
>
> I have numerous email addresses which I'm managing in
my main Gmail
> account.
> It all works well, but I've discovered that when I send
from one of
> the other accounts, when the recipient opens it, in the
'From'
> section, it shows my address as being:
>
> [email address] on behalf of Steven Mills [[email
address]]
>
> (where [email address]' is the main email address
associated with
> the gmail account, and [email address]' is the other
external
> account)
>
> In other words, even though I'm sending from a
non-Gmail account,
> because it's going through Gmail the recipient is made
aware of this.
>
> Is there any way round this? I'm almost positive
there's nothing in
> the settings- what about some script or add-on/plug-in
for Firefox
> (which is my browser)?
>
> Any help gratefully required.
> Regards
> Steven Mills
>
>
> >
>

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Thanks for your reply.
Please can you explain your option 2 about Google Apps?
Regards

On Sep 4, 6:15 pm, "Zack (Doc)" <z...tnan.net> wrote:
> When you send e-mail GMail sets a header attribute
"Sender"https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=2
0616
>
> Some e-mail clients, wrongly, use this field for the
"on behalf of"
> type setting, which is not the purpose.  The purpose,
and why GMail is
> setting it, is to aid receiving systems in spam
detection.  Normally
> you want your from address "yourdomain.com"
to match a legal address
> of the sending system "gmail.com".  Since
they don't, "Sender" is
> included to show that you are a legal sender from the
"gmail.com"
> domain.  This should prevent systems from marking your
message as
> spam.
>
> There are a couple ways you can "get around
this" but it's not well advised.
>
> 1) Use POP/SMTP.  Then you can send with your domain,
and "Sender"
> will not be added (as far as I know).
>
> 2) Use Google Apps for your domain.  This is a separate
account, so it
> doesn't set the "Sender" field.
>
> On 9/4/07,01steven<01ste...googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have numerous email addresses which I'm managing
in my main Gmail
> > account.
> > It all works well, but I've discovered that when I
send from one of
> > the other accounts, when the recipient opens it,
in the 'From'
> > section, it shows my address as being:
>
> > [email address] on behalf of Steven Mills [[email
address]]
>
> > (where [email address]' is the main email address
associated with
> > the gmail account, and [email address]' is the
other external
> > account)
>
> > In other words, even though I'm sending from a
non-Gmail account,
> > because it's going through Gmail the recipient is
made aware of this.
>
> > Is there any way round this? I'm almost positive
there's nothing in
> > the settings- what about some script or
add-on/plug-in for Firefox
> > (which is my browser)?
>
> > Any help gratefully required.
> > Regards
> > Steven Mills


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Not any better than Google can:
http://www.google.com/a/


Basically, if you own the domain, you can register with
Google to
provide you services for your domain, which includes e-mail
(GMail
accounts) and many other Google services.  Read ahead at the
link for
the best explanations.

On 9/6/07, 01steven <01stevengooglemail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your reply.
> Please can you explain your option 2 about Google
Apps?
> Regards
>
> On Sep 4, 6:15 pm, "Zack (Doc)" <z...tnan.net> wrote:
> > When you send e-mail GMail sets a header attribute
"Sender"https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=2
0616
> >
> > Some e-mail clients, wrongly, use this field for
the "on behalf of"
> > type setting, which is not the purpose.  The
purpose, and why GMail is
> > setting it, is to aid receiving systems in spam
detection.  Normally
> > you want your from address
"yourdomain.com" to match a legal address
> > of the sending system "gmail.com". 
Since they don't, "Sender" is
> > included to show that you are a legal sender from
the "gmail.com"
> > domain.  This should prevent systems from marking
your message as
> > spam.
> >
> > There are a couple ways you can "get around
this" but it's not well advised.
> >
> > 1) Use POP/SMTP.  Then you can send with your
domain, and "Sender"
> > will not be added (as far as I know).
> >
> > 2) Use Google Apps for your domain.  This is a
separate account, so it
> > doesn't set the "Sender" field.
> >
> > On 9/4/07,01steven<01ste...googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > I have numerous email addresses which I'm
managing in my main Gmail
> > > account.
> > > It all works well, but I've discovered that
when I send from one of
> > > the other accounts, when the recipient opens
it, in the 'From'
> > > section, it shows my address as being:
> >
> > > [email address] on behalf of Steven Mills
[[email address]]
> >
> > > (where [email address]' is the main email
address associated with
> > > the gmail account, and [email address]' is
the other external
> > > account)
> >
> > > In other words, even though I'm sending from
a non-Gmail account,
> > > because it's going through Gmail the
recipient is made aware of this.
> >
> > > Is there any way round this? I'm almost
positive there's nothing in
> > > the settings- what about some script or
add-on/plug-in for Firefox
> > > (which is my browser)?
> >
> > > Any help gratefully required.
> > > Regards
> > > Steven Mills
>
>
> >
>

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Thanks for that- very useful indeed.
Regards

On Sep 6, 6:44 pm, "Zack (Doc)" <z...tnan.net> wrote:
> Not any better than Google can:http://www.google.com/a/

>
> Basically, if you own the domain, you can register with
Google to
> provide you services for your domain, which includes
e-mail (GMail
> accounts) and many other Google services.  Read ahead
at the link for
> the best explanations.
>
> On 9/6/07, 01steven <01ste...googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thanks for your reply.
> > Please can you explain your option 2 about Google
Apps?
> > Regards
>
> > On Sep 4, 6:15 pm, "Zack (Doc)"
<z...tnan.net> wrote:
> > > When you send e-mail GMail sets a header
attribute "Sender"https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=2
0616
>
> > > Some e-mail clients, wrongly, use this field
for the "on behalf of"
> > > type setting, which is not the purpose.  The
purpose, and why GMail is
> > > setting it, is to aid receiving systems in
spam detection.  Normally
> > > you want your from address
"yourdomain.com" to match a legal address
> > > of the sending system "gmail.com". 
Since they don't, "Sender" is
> > > included to show that you are a legal sender
from the "gmail.com"
> > > domain.  This should prevent systems from
marking your message as
> > > spam.
>
> > > There are a couple ways you can "get
around this" but it's not well advised.
>
> > > 1) Use POP/SMTP.  Then you can send with your
domain, and "Sender"
> > > will not be added (as far as I know).
>
> > > 2) Use Google Apps for your domain.  This is
a separate account, so it
> > > doesn't set the "Sender" field.
>
> > > On 9/4/07,01steven<01ste...googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I have numerous email addresses which
I'm managing in my main Gmail
> > > > account.
> > > > It all works well, but I've discovered
that when I send from one of
> > > > the other accounts, when the recipient
opens it, in the 'From'
> > > > section, it shows my address as being:
>
> > > > [email address] on behalf of Steven
Mills [[email address]]
>
> > > > (where [email address]' is the main
email address associated with
> > > > the gmail account, and [email address]'
is the other external
> > > > account)
>
> > > > In other words, even though I'm sending
from a non-Gmail account,
> > > > because it's going through Gmail the
recipient is made aware of this.
>
> > > > Is there any way round this? I'm almost
positive there's nothing in
> > > > the settings- what about some script or
add-on/plug-in for Firefox
> > > > (which is my browser)?
>
> > > > Any help gratefully required.
> > > > Regards
> > > > Steven Mills


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Does this work with alias domains as well?

On 11 Sep., 10:43, 01steven <01ste...googlemail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for that- very useful indeed.
> Regards
>
> On Sep 6, 6:44 pm, "Zack (Doc)" <z...tnan.net> wrote:
>
> > Not any better than Google can:http://www.google.com/a/

>
> > Basically, if you own the domain, you can register
with Google to
> > provide you services for your domain, which
includes e-mail (GMail
> > accounts) and many other Google services.  Read
ahead at the link for
> > the best explanations.
>
> > On 9/6/07, 01steven <01ste...googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Thanks for your reply.
> > > Please can you explain your option 2 about
Google Apps?
> > > Regards
>
> > > On Sep 4, 6:15 pm, "Zack (Doc)"
<z...tnan.net> wrote:
> > > > When you send e-mail GMail sets a header
attribute "Sender"https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=2
0616
>
> > > > Some e-mail clients, wrongly, use this
field for the "on behalf of"
> > > > type setting, which is not the purpose. 
The purpose, and why GMail is
> > > > setting it, is to aid receiving systems
in spam detection.  Normally
> > > > you want your from address
"yourdomain.com" to match a legal address
> > > > of the sending system
"gmail.com".  Since they don't, "Sender"
is
> > > > included to show that you are a legal
sender from the "gmail.com"
> > > > domain.  This should prevent systems
from marking your message as
> > > > spam.
>
> > > > There are a couple ways you can
"get around this" but it's not well advised.
>
> > > > 1) Use POP/SMTP.  Then you can send with
your domain, and "Sender"
> > > > will not be added (as far as I know).
>
> > > > 2) Use Google Apps for your domain. 
This is a separate account, so it
> > > > doesn't set the "Sender"
field.
>
> > > > On 9/4/07,01steven<01ste...googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I have numerous email addresses
which I'm managing in my main Gmail
> > > > > account.
> > > > > It all works well, but I've
discovered that when I send from one of
> > > > > the other accounts, when the
recipient opens it, in the 'From'
> > > > > section, it shows my address as
being:
>
> > > > > [email address] on behalf of Steven
Mills [[email address]]
>
> > > > > (where [email address]' is the main
email address associated with
> > > > > the gmail account, and [email
address]' is the other external
> > > > > account)
>
> > > > > In other words, even though I'm
sending from a non-Gmail account,
> > > > > because it's going through Gmail
the recipient is made aware of this.
>
> > > > > Is there any way round this? I'm
almost positive there's nothing in
> > > > > the settings- what about some
script or add-on/plug-in for Firefox
> > > > > (which is my browser)?
>
> > > > > Any help gratefully required.
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > Steven Mills


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Yes aliases are supported, see here:

http://www.google.com/support/a/bin/answer.p
y?answer=53295&hl=en


On Sep 17, 3:39 am, "reneluc...gmail.com"
<reneluc...gmail.com>
wrote:
> Does this work with alias domains as well?
>
> On 11 Sep., 10:43, 01steven <01ste...googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thanks for that- very useful indeed.
> > Regards
>
> > On Sep 6, 6:44 pm, "Zack (Doc)"
<z...tnan.net> wrote:
>
> > > Not any better than Google can:http://www.google.com/a/

>
> > > Basically, if you own the domain, you can
register with Google to
> > > provide you services for your domain, which
includes e-mail (GMail
> > > accounts) and many other Google services. 
Read ahead at the link for
> > > the best explanations.
>
> > > On 9/6/07, 01steven <01ste...googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Thanks for your reply.
> > > > Please can you explain your option 2
about Google Apps?
> > > > Regards
>
> > > > On Sep 4, 6:15 pm, "Zack
(Doc)" <z...tnan.net> wrote:
> > > > > When you send e-mail GMail sets a
header attribute "Sender"https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=2
0616
>
> > > > > Some e-mail clients, wrongly, use
this field for the "on behalf of"
> > > > > type setting, which is not the
purpose.  The purpose, and why GMail is
> > > > > setting it, is to aid receiving
systems in spam detection.  Normally
> > > > > you want your from address
"yourdomain.com" to match a legal address
> > > > > of the sending system
"gmail.com".  Since they don't, "Sender"
is
> > > > > included to show that you are a
legal sender from the "gmail.com"
> > > > > domain.  This should prevent
systems from marking your message as
> > > > > spam.
>
> > > > > There are a couple ways you can
"get around this" but it's not well advised.
>
> > > > > 1) Use POP/SMTP.  Then you can send
with your domain, and "Sender"
> > > > > will not be added (as far as I
know).
>
> > > > > 2) Use Google Apps for your domain.
 This is a separate account, so it
> > > > > doesn't set the "Sender"
field.
>
> > > > > On 9/4/07,01steven<01ste...googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I have numerous email
addresses which I'm managing in my main Gmail
> > > > > > account.
> > > > > > It all works well, but I've
discovered that when I send from one of
> > > > > > the other accounts, when the
recipient opens it, in the 'From'
> > > > > > section, it shows my address
as being:
>
> > > > > > [email address] on behalf of
Steven Mills [[email address]]
>
> > > > > > (where [email address]' is the
main email address associated with
> > > > > > the gmail account, and [email
address]' is the other external
> > > > > > account)
>
> > > > > > In other words, even though
I'm sending from a non-Gmail account,
> > > > > > because it's going through
Gmail the recipient is made aware of this.
>
> > > > > > Is there any way round this?
I'm almost positive there's nothing in
> > > > > > the settings- what about some
script or add-on/plug-in for Firefox
> > > > > > (which is my browser)?
>
> > > > > > Any help gratefully required.
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > Steven Mills- Hide quoted text
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On Dec 13, 1:24 pm, "Ryan Morehart"
<moreh...gmail.com> wrote:
> There is a need. If Gmail did not add the header many
spam programs would
> recognize that the from email address given and the
sending server did not
> match and flag it as spam. If they want to get rid of
it they would have to
> do as you suggested in your second item.

Except in the case I am talking about, the email server
(gmail.com)
and the sending server (gmail.com) would be THE SAME.  So
no, there is
no need for these headers.

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On Dec 13, 2:30 pm, "Zack (Doc)" <z...tnan.net> wrote:
> They don't point it out in giant flashing letters,

They need to, when you're setting up multiple accounts. 
Putting it on
a help page that no one will read until *after* they
discover the
problem is not good enough.

> Uh... yeah, you logged into it, it's a verified
connection, why
> shouldn't it be sent?!?

Because it's not the address I'm using.

> A, "without your knowledge", would only be
because you failed to read
> the information provided

You read through every help document and discussion on a web
service
before using it?

> B, "without your permission" is completely
false, cause you chose to
> use a service and it's performing exactly as
advertised.  If you want
> to "give your permission" for something like
that, use a different
> service that performs differently.
> Since *YOU* chose to use a service that works like
this, and YOU chose
> to send this message (which NEVER claims to HIDE your
address), then
> it can't be a "major privacy issue".  If you
have a privacy issue, use
> a system that promises to HIDE the information you want
hidden.

Why in the world would a typical user expect an email to
expose the
address I happen to be *logged into*, when that address has
nothing to
do with the message I am sending?  This is not obvious at
all and I'm
certain that most people don't even know it's happening
until an
Outlook recipient adds it to the visible reply header.

> I could agree with this point, and think that's an
excellent
> suggestion for you to send to Google on your next
suggestion
> submission.

I have several times.  Other people need to mention it
before they'll
start noticing.

> There's the rub... GMail isn't an email
"program" like Outlook.

It should be.  A typical webmail interface only sends from
one email
address.  Google Mail tries to be more like an email
*program*, that
lets you send and receive from multiple addresses all in the
same
interface, but it's a flawed emulation because of the way it
sends and
uses headers.

> When a client program (like Outlook) sends a message
through a
> different SMTP server, it is a unique connection, with
message
> origination there.  Often these servers require
authentication of at
> least a basic IP level, as in they come from a known IP
address range,
> like a campus network.
>
> When another SMTP server (like GMail's) sends a message
through a
> different SMTP server, it is called SMTP-RELAY, which
most servers do
> not allow, and even when they do, it's considered bad
practice, and
> frowned upon in the Internet community.  This is why
GMail cannot do
> as you suggest.

Gmail should connect in the same way I would normally
connect from my
email client.

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On Dec 28, 2007 2:41 AM, Omegatron <omegatrongmail.com> wrote:
> > When a client program (like Outlook) sends a
message through a
> > different SMTP server, it is a unique connection,
with message
> > origination there.  Often these servers require
authentication of at
> > least a basic IP level, as in they come from a
known IP address range,
> > like a campus network.
> >
> > When another SMTP server (like GMail's) sends a
message through a
> > different SMTP server, it is called SMTP-RELAY,
which most servers do
> > not allow, and even when they do, it's considered
bad practice, and
> > frowned upon in the Internet community.  This is
why GMail cannot do
> > as you suggest.
>
> Gmail should connect in the same way I would normally
connect from my
> email client.

I won't argue with most of your stuff, as it's a preference
thing, but
Gmail *can't* send the exact same way a desktop client would
because
of the pseudo-login restrictions virtually all SMTP servers
have. As
Zach noted, most servers, particularly ISP and corporate
ones, require
that the connections to them are coming from a known IP
range. This is
fine for a desktop client, as it will likely be connecting
from a
relatively static location.

In the case of a web-based email though, if the SMTP
connection is
established by the client-side half of Gmail then the fact
that the
email is likely to be accessed from virtually anywhere
causes problems
as the person could only send email through some alternate
addresses
when they are connected to a certain network. If the
connection to the
foreign SMTP server is established from Google's servers as
though it
where a normal desktop client, then the problem would be
even worse,
as it would be impossible for some messages to _ever_ be
sent (Google
doesn't have servers on your company's network).

In either case, Google doesn't want to explain to people why
sending
only works occasionally, under very specific situations.
They have
instead chosen to take the, IMHO, more correct route where
they make
it "just work." Only an arguably non-standards
compliant email client
breaks this in any fashion, and the "break" really
isn't overly
painful as long as you realize it exists.

Ryan

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