NEVER NEVER trust GMAIL drafts...

NEVER NEVER trust GMAIL drafts...

Lost a draft that had many hours invested in it, and lots of
data that
is very difficult to recreated.

If you accidentally hit the DISCARD button, you lose your
draft.  NO
WARNING, no recovery possible!

NOT found in Trash.  WHY?

If you navigate away from the changed draft, you get a
warning.

Your draft has been modified.
Abandon changes?

OK | Cancel

If you accidentally hit DISCARD -boom, it is completely
gone!

BAD DESIGN!


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Yes there is... I just tried it with this message.  I hit
Discard, and
there was immediately a bar at the top that said "Your
message has
been discarded. Undo discard"... I clicked it and I'm
back in here
editing this message.

The lesson is, if you accidentally click a button, stop
moving to see
if there's an undo to fix your mistake.

On 10/3/07, GeoFan49.lit <gfanucci.litgmail.com> wrote:
>
> NEVER NEVER trust GMAIL drafts...
>
> Lost a draft that had many hours invested in it, and
lots of data that
> is very difficult to recreated.
>
> If you accidentally hit the DISCARD button, you lose
your draft.  NO
> WARNING, no recovery possible!
>
> NOT found in Trash.  WHY?
>
> If you navigate away from the changed draft, you get a
warning.
>
> Your draft has been modified.
> Abandon changes?
>
> OK | Cancel
>
> If you accidentally hit DISCARD -boom, it is completely
gone!
>
> BAD DESIGN!
>
>
> >
>

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On Oct 3, 2007 4:13 PM, GeoFan49.lit <gfanucci.litgmail.com> wrote:

> NEVER NEVER trust GMAIL drafts...
>
> Lost a draft that had many hours invested in it, and
lots of data that
> is very difficult to recreated.

Gmail drafts work fine unless you do something wrong.

> If you accidentally hit the DISCARD button, you lose
your draft.  NO
> WARNING, no recovery possible!

Not true. You get a bar at the top letting you undo.

> NOT found in Trash.  WHY?

Only trash goes in Trash, not discards.

> If you navigate away from the changed draft, you get a
warning.
>
> Your draft has been modified.
> Abandon changes?
>
> OK | Cancel

Yep.

> If you accidentally hit DISCARD -boom, it is completely
gone!

Not true, as mentioned before.

> BAD DESIGN!

It could warn you, yes, but bad design? Hardly.

Fuzzy

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This is the most ridiculous answer I have ever read, and
demonstrates
a clear misunderstanding of UI principles.

Firstly, nobody is perfect. I have been using computers for
a very
long time, and only today I typed a long email, accidentally
hit
"Discard" on the draft, and in a panic the first
thing I did was go to
the Drafts folder. Irrational? Yes. Human? Yes. Saying
"GMail drafts
work fine unless you do something wrong" is the same as
saying "GMail
drafts work fine as long as you're perfect." Enough
people make this
mistake to warrant it being a design flaw.

Secondly, the user's data is absolutely sacred. Unless they
are
absolutely 100% sure (expressed through an explicit process
with the
ability to Cancel) that some data is to be deleted, it
should be
preserved at all costs. Even then, unless privacy is at
stake, any
sort of deletion or potential loss of data should be held
for a
reasonable period of time. That is why deleting messages
goes into
TRASH, and not the ether. Then you have a chance to get it
back, see?

Being able to discard a draft without confirmation, and only
recover
it if you react completely rationally to an almost
psychologically
invisible message that disappears after a few seconds, is
patently and
obviously bad design. Don't believe me? Why don't you try it
on some
imperfect people instead of your perfect Zen-like self? You
know, the
general population.

I am not disparaging all of GMail, as it is a wonderful tool
and has
proven itself to be indispensable. But that still does not
help with
the horror and frustration of losing hard work. It is
grossly unfair
to blame an ordinary human user for a problem like this.

Justin Megawarne

On Oct 4, 8:29 am, "Fuzzy Logic" <fuzz...gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 3, 2007 4:13 PM, GeoFan49.lit
<gfanucci....gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > NEVER NEVER trust GMAIL drafts...
>
> > Lost a draft that had many hours invested in it,
and lots of data that
> > is very difficult to recreated.
>
> Gmail drafts work fine unless you do something wrong.
>
> > If you accidentally hit the DISCARD button, you
lose your draft.  NO
> > WARNING, no recovery possible!
>
> Not true. You get a bar at the top letting you undo.
>
> > NOT found in Trash.  WHY?
>
> Only trash goes in Trash, not discards.
>
> > If you navigate away from the changed draft, you
get a warning.
>
> > Your draft has been modified.
> > Abandon changes?
>
> > OK | Cancel
>
> Yep.
>
> > If you accidentally hit DISCARD -boom, it is
completely gone!
>
> Not true, as mentioned before.
>
> > BAD DESIGN!
>
> It could warn you, yes, but bad design? Hardly.
>
> Fuzzy


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Exactly what happened to me.  There was an emergency to
handle.  I was
editing my draft and had to exit immediately.  I was
thinking I just
wanted to discard my changes and get out of that draft to
handle the
emergency.  BOOM... lost that big draft that had a lot of
time
invested!

On Oct 10, 5:16 am, jmegawarne <jmegawa...gmail.com> wrote:
> This is the most ridiculous answer I have ever read,
and demonstrates
> a clear misunderstanding of UI principles.
>
> Firstly, nobody is perfect. I have been using computers
for a very
> long time, and only today I typed a long email,
accidentally hit
> "Discard" on the draft, and in a panic the
first thing I did was go to
> the Drafts folder. Irrational? Yes. Human? Yes. Saying
"GMail drafts
> work fine unless you do something wrong" is the
same as saying "GMail
> drafts work fine as long as you're perfect."
Enough people make this
> mistake to warrant it being a design flaw.
>
> Secondly, the user's data is absolutely sacred. Unless
they are
> absolutely 100% sure (expressed through an explicit
process with the
> ability to Cancel) that some data is to be deleted, it
should be
> preserved at all costs. Even then, unless privacy is at
stake, any
> sort of deletion or potential loss of data should be
held for a
> reasonable period of time. That is why deleting
messages goes into
> TRASH, and not the ether. Then you have a chance to get
it back, see?
>
> Being able to discard a draft without confirmation, and
only recover
> it if you react completely rationally to an almost
psychologically
> invisible message that disappears after a few seconds,
is patently and
> obviously bad design. Don't believe me? Why don't you
try it on some
> imperfect people instead of your perfect Zen-like self?
You know, the
> general population.
>
> I am not disparaging all of GMail, as it is a wonderful
tool and has
> proven itself to be indispensable. But that still does
not help with
> the horror and frustration of losing hard work. It is
grossly unfair
> to blame an ordinary human user for a problem like
this.
>
> Justin Megawarne
>
> On Oct 4, 8:29 am, "Fuzzy Logic"
<fuzz...gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 3, 2007 4:13 PM, GeoFan49.lit
<gfanucci....gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > NEVER NEVER trust GMAIL drafts...
>
> > > Lost a draft that had many hours invested in
it, and lots of data that
> > > is very difficult to recreated.
>
> > Gmail drafts work fine unless you do something
wrong.
>
> > > If you accidentally hit the DISCARD button,
you lose your draft.  NO
> > > WARNING, no recovery possible!
>
> > Not true. You get a bar at the top letting you
undo.
>
> > > NOT found in Trash.  WHY?
>
> > Only trash goes in Trash, not discards.
>
> > > If you navigate away from the changed draft,
you get a warning.
>
> > > Your draft has been modified.
> > > Abandon changes?
>
> > > OK | Cancel
>
> > Yep.
>
> > > If you accidentally hit DISCARD -boom, it is
completely gone!
>
> > Not true, as mentioned before.
>
> > > BAD DESIGN!
>
> > It could warn you, yes, but bad design? Hardly.
>
> > Fuzzy


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GeoFan and Any Others:

Draft anything with any importance in Word, or other WP
Programs, and
Save, rather than just doing it in e-mail, regardless of the
e-mail
Carrier.

Texy

On 10/10/07, GeoFan49.lit <gfanucci.litgmail.com> wrote:
>
> Exactly what happened to me.  There was an emergency to
handle.  I was
> editing my draft and had to exit immediately.  I was
thinking I just
> wanted to discard my changes and get out of that draft
to handle the
> emergency.  BOOM... lost that big draft that had a lot
of time
> invested!
>
> On Oct 10, 5:16 am, jmegawarne <jmegawa...gmail.com> wrote:
> > This is the most ridiculous answer I have ever
read, and demonstrates
> > a clear misunderstanding of UI principles.
> >
> > Firstly, nobody is perfect. I have been using
computers for a very
> > long time, and only today I typed a long email,
accidentally hit
> > "Discard" on the draft, and in a panic
the first thing I did was go to
> > the Drafts folder. Irrational? Yes. Human? Yes.
Saying "GMail drafts
> > work fine unless you do something wrong" is
the same as saying "GMail
> > drafts work fine as long as you're perfect."
Enough people make this
> > mistake to warrant it being a design flaw.
> >
> > Secondly, the user's data is absolutely sacred.
Unless they are
> > absolutely 100% sure (expressed through an
explicit process with the
> > ability to Cancel) that some data is to be
deleted, it should be
> > preserved at all costs. Even then, unless privacy
is at stake, any
> > sort of deletion or potential loss of data should
be held for a
> > reasonable period of time. That is why deleting
messages goes into
> > TRASH, and not the ether. Then you have a chance
to get it back, see?
> >
> > Being able to discard a draft without
confirmation, and only recover
> > it if you react completely rationally to an almost
psychologically
> > invisible message that disappears after a few
seconds, is patently and
> > obviously bad design. Don't believe me? Why don't
you try it on some
> > imperfect people instead of your perfect Zen-like
self? You know, the
> > general population.
> >
> > I am not disparaging all of GMail, as it is a
wonderful tool and has
> > proven itself to be indispensable. But that still
does not help with
> > the horror and frustration of losing hard work. It
is grossly unfair
> > to blame an ordinary human user for a problem like
this.
> >
> > Justin Megawarne
> >
> > On Oct 4, 8:29 am, "Fuzzy Logic"
<fuzz...gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Oct 3, 2007 4:13 PM, GeoFan49.lit
<gfanucci....gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > NEVER NEVER trust GMAIL drafts...
> >
> > > > Lost a draft that had many hours
invested in it, and lots of data that
> > > > is very difficult to recreated.
> >
> > > Gmail drafts work fine unless you do
something wrong.
> >
> > > > If you accidentally hit the DISCARD
button, you lose your draft.  NO
> > > > WARNING, no recovery possible!
> >
> > > Not true. You get a bar at the top letting
you undo.
> >
> > > > NOT found in Trash.  WHY?
> >
> > > Only trash goes in Trash, not discards.
> >
> > > > If you navigate away from the changed
draft, you get a warning.
> >
> > > > Your draft has been modified.
> > > > Abandon changes?
> >
> > > > OK | Cancel
> >
> > > Yep.
> >
> > > > If you accidentally hit DISCARD -boom,
it is completely gone!
> >
> > > Not true, as mentioned before.
> >
> > > > BAD DESIGN!
> >
> > > It could warn you, yes, but bad design?
Hardly.
> >
> > > Fuzzy
>
>
> >
>

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Tyler:

Amen, I agree.

Texy

On 10/10/07, Tyler Cheatham <tcheatham5gmail.com> wrote:
> Again, if you have a HUGE email then you are better off
using a word
> processor and then copying and pasting your email into
your message.  I have
> never had a problem with drafts.  Your preference, but
you have to be
> careful.  You could JUST as easily click no when your
word processor asks
> you to save your document.  Same concept, don't blame
GMail drafts for YOUR
> error and YOUR mistake.
>
> On 10/10/07, GeoFan49.lit <gfanucci.litgmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Exactly what happened to me.  There was an
emergency to handle.  I was
> > editing my draft and had to exit immediately.  I
was thinking I just
> > wanted to discard my changes and get out of that
draft to handle the
> > emergency.  BOOM... lost that big draft that had a
lot of time
> > invested!
> >
> > On Oct 10, 5:16 am, jmegawarne <jmegawa...gmail.com> wrote:
> > > This is the most ridiculous answer I have
ever read, and demonstrates
> > > a clear misunderstanding of UI principles.
> > >
> > > Firstly, nobody is perfect. I have been using
computers for a very
> > > long time, and only today I typed a long
email, accidentally hit
> > > "Discard" on the draft, and in a
panic the first thing I did was go to
> > > the Drafts folder. Irrational? Yes. Human?
Yes. Saying "GMail drafts
> > > work fine unless you do something wrong"
is the same as saying "GMail
> > > drafts work fine as long as you're
perfect." Enough people make this
> > > mistake to warrant it being a design flaw.
> > >
> > > Secondly, the user's data is absolutely
sacred. Unless they are
> > > absolutely 100% sure (expressed through an
explicit process with the
> > > ability to Cancel) that some data is to be
deleted, it should be
> > > preserved at all costs. Even then, unless
privacy is at stake, any
> > > sort of deletion or potential loss of data
should be held for a
> > > reasonable period of time. That is why
deleting messages goes into
> > > TRASH, and not the ether. Then you have a
chance to get it back, see?
> > >
> > > Being able to discard a draft without
confirmation, and only recover
> > > it if you react completely rationally to an
almost psychologically
> > > invisible message that disappears after a few
seconds, is patently and
> > > obviously bad design. Don't believe me? Why
don't you try it on some
> > > imperfect people instead of your perfect
Zen-like self? You know, the
> > > general population.
> > >
> > > I am not disparaging all of GMail, as it is a
wonderful tool and has
> > > proven itself to be indispensable. But that
still does not help with
> > > the horror and frustration of losing hard
work. It is grossly unfair
> > > to blame an ordinary human user for a problem
like this.
> > >
> > > Justin Megawarne
> > >
> > > On Oct 4, 8:29 am, "Fuzzy Logic"
<fuzz...gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Oct 3, 2007 4:13 PM, GeoFan49.lit
<gfanucci....gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > NEVER NEVER trust GMAIL drafts...
> > >
> > > > > Lost a draft that had many hours
invested in it, and lots of data
> that
> > > > > is very difficult to recreated.
> > >
> > > > Gmail drafts work fine unless you do
something wrong.
> > >
> > > > > If you accidentally hit the DISCARD
button, you lose your draft.  NO
> > > > > WARNING, no recovery possible!
> > >
> > > > Not true. You get a bar at the top
letting you undo.
> > >
> > > > > NOT found in Trash.  WHY?
> > >
> > > > Only trash goes in Trash, not discards.
> > >
> > > > > If you navigate away from the
changed draft, you get a warning.
> > >
> > > > > Your draft has been modified.
> > > > > Abandon changes?
> > >
> > > > > OK | Cancel
> > >
> > > > Yep.
> > >
> > > > > If you accidentally hit DISCARD
-boom, it is completely gone!
> > >
> > > > Not true, as mentioned before.
> > >
> > > > > BAD DESIGN!
> > >
> > > > It could warn you, yes, but bad design?
Hardly.
> > >
> > > > Fuzzy
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>  >
>

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