Re: Transfering from hotmail to gmail

Very cool... I had guessed that it had something to do with
Folder
preservation since each "fetch" can auto-label as
it fetches, and
since you're repeating this for each "folder" in
Hotmail, it would
help with that as well.

Very interesting to learn that fetching uploaded mails
restores the
original dates.

On 11/5/07, Nate <natepackergmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry, I forgot to explain that.  For some reason, when
you upload
> from Gmail Loader to a Gmail account, it changes the
dates on all the
> emails  as the date you uploaded it as if you had just
forwarded it,
> so all the emails look like they came in at the same
time.  However,
> when you have your original gmail address
"fetch" them from the
> secondary address, all the original received dates are
restored.
>
>
> On Nov 5, 3:04 am, "Ryan Morehart"
<moreh...gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm just curious, why can't you upload directly to
the real Gmail account?
> > What function does the second account serve?
> >
> > I've never moved email to Gmail before, so I
really am in the dark.
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> > On 11/4/07, Nate <natepac...gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > I have found the best solution for this
problem.  It takes a little
> > > bit of time, but it works perfectly.  See,
the problem with just
> > > forwarding all your mail is that you lose the
"from" name, and the
> > > time that the email came, so emails you got 2
years ago, look like
> > > they came in the same time as email you got 2
minutes ago.
> >
> > > With this solution, you not only keep the
username intact, but it also
> > > keeps the time that the email arrived. 
Therefore, it looks as if you
> > > got the email right into your gmail account
originally.  AND, the best
> > > part is, you can even get your emails in new
gmail labels to mirror
> > > your hotmail folders.
> >
> > > The key is setting up a 2nd gmail account as
an intermediary account.
> > > Then you use Thunderbird with the webmail and
hotmail extensions, to
> > > download all your hotmail, one folder at a
time.  Then use Gmail
> > > Loader to upload the mail to your secondary
Gmail account, and set up
> > > Gmail fetcher on your first account to fetch
all the mail from your
> > > secondary gmail account.  Here, I'll give it
to you step by step:
> >
> > > 1.  Get Thunderbird.  You don't even need to
install it.  The portable
> > > version will work just fine.  You can get it
here:
> > >http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/thunderbird_por
table.  (Sorry,
> > > not sure how to create hyperlinks here.) 
Extract it, then run
> > > Thunderbird.  When it opens up, it's going to
want you to set up an
> > > email account.  Skip this for now and just
hit cancel.
> >
> > > 2.  Download the Webmail extension for
Thunderbird.  You can get it
> > > here:http://w
ebmail.mozdev.org/installation.html.   To install it,
> > > right-click on the link
"Web-Mail-1.2.5", and "save target as"
> > > somewhere on your pc.  Go into Thunderbird
and go to Tools > Add-ons.
> > > Then click "Install" and browse for
the file you just downloaded and
> > > install it.  It will restart Thunderbird.
> >
> > > 3.  Now Download the Hotmail extension from
the same place you
> > > downloaded the Webmail extension, and follow
the same steps in Step 2,
> > > only this time, when it restarts Thunderbird,
you want to go ahead and
> > > set up your email account.  Choose "Web
Mail" from the list.  Go
> > > through and put all your information in. 
Where it asks for username,
> > > make sure to put in your full email address. 
So put in your full
> > > email address in both the email address box
and the username box.
> > > WAIT -  On the last page of the Wizard, don't
choose to download
> > > messages now.   We need to set up your
hotmail account a bit so we can
> > > do it one folder at a time.
> >
> > > 4.  Now go back into Tools > Add-Ons, and
go to the options for the
> > > Hotmail add-on.  Choose the type of Hotmail
account you're using.
> > > Then go to the POP tab.  Click on the
"Add" button, and type in the
> > > name of the first folder in your hotmail
folder list.  Type it exactly
> > > the way it is spelled in your hotmail, case
sensitive.   You can close
> > > the Add-Ons section.
> >
> > > 5.  Now just click "Get Mail" in
Thunderbird.  If all goes well, it
> > > should be downloading the folder you chose. 
You should be able to
> > > tell when they're all downloaded if you go
into your hotmail, and make
> > > all the mail in that folder
"unread".  That will tell you how many
> > > emails there were in that folder.  And you
can see that it matches in
> > > Thunderbird.
> >
> > > Now you should have the first folder of email
downloaded from
> > > Hotmail.  Next you're going to set up your
intermediate gmail account,
> > > and use gmail loader to upload to that
account.
> >
> > > 6.  Set up your 2nd gmail account.  Name it
whatever you want.
> >
> > > 7.  Download Gmail Loader here:http://marklyon.org/gmail/

> >
> > > 8.  You can read the instructions there on
how to use it.  It's not
> > > too hard, but just read the instructions. 
You might have to change
> > > the SMTP server to a different one that he
will give you on his site.
> >
> > > 9.  Run Gmail Loader to upload  your
Thunderbird mail.  Point Gmail
> > > Loader to your mail profile in Thunderbird. I
found that in Gmail
> > > Loader,  under File Type, the second mbox
option worked best for me.
> > > Put in your secondary email address, and run
it.  Watch your emails go
> > > to gmail!
> >
> > > 10.  Log in to your original gmail account. 
Go into Settings >
> > > Accounts.  Go to "get mail from other
accounts" and add your secondary
> > > gmail account.  Once you've set that up, it
will start "fetching" your
> > > email from your second gmail account.
> >
> > > 11.  Once all the email is fetched from your
second account, give it
> > > all the label of the folder you took it from
in Hotmail and archive
> > > it.  Then delete all the mail in your 2nd
gmail account.  (or ou can
> > > set it to do this automatically when you set
up the fetching.)
> >
> > > 12.  Repeat steps 1-11 for every folder in
your hotmail account.
> >
> > > Hope you have fun!  Let me know if you have
any questions.
> >
> > > Nate
> >
> > > Zack (Doc) wrote:
> > > > Did you search prior posts to this
group?  Many people have asked
> > > > about changing from Hotmail to GMail,
and many many solutions have
> > > > been posted.  Too many for me to capture
here, but the gist is:
> >
> > > > Hotmail (free version) does not support
POP, so you have 2 options;
> > > > individually forward all the messages
you want to keep, or use a third
> > > > party site to "turn your Hotmail
into a POP account".
> > > > If you upgrade to, or are already on,
the paid version of Hotmail,
> > > > then you have POP.
> > > > Once you have your Hotmail in a POP
state, you can tell GMail to
> > > > retrieve it.  POP cannot carry folder
information, so they'll all
> > > > arrive without prior filing information;
and in waves of messages
> > > > instead of all at once.
> >
> > > > Search the group (as the admin rules
suggest you do first) and read
> > > > some of the threads about it.  If you
have a more specific question
> > > > after doing so, feel free to ask as
someone with personal experience
> > > > on the subject might be able to answer.
> >
> > > > On 11/3/07, badbad...gmail.com
<badbad...gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > I have been having problems with my
hotmail account and decided it was
> > > > > time for a change.  Gmail seems to
have lots of services and features
> > > > > that hotmail doesn't but I need
help with a small problem.  I would
> > > > > like to transfer my mail folders
from my old hotmail account so I can
> > > > > delete it completely.  I have a
very large collection of saved
> > > > > messages and am really hoping that
I won't have to gmail them to
> > > > > myself one at a time.  Is there a
way to transfer groups of saved
> > > > > messages from hotmail to gmail? 
PLEASE, does anyone have a
> > > suggestion?
> >
> > --
> > Make long URLs memorable:http://urlet.com
>
>
> >
>

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Yeah, you could have it just auto-label everything as it
comes in for
each folder.  I just fetched them, then selected all,
labeled them
what I wanted, then archived.  Then did it all over again
for each
folder.  Hope it works for you.  I've also found a way to
have emails
automatically forwarded as they arrive.  This is helpful for
after
you're done forwarding all your email from hotmail to gmail,
and
you've got a few stubborn people who just can't get your new
email
address in their heads.  But it involves running a little
tool on your
pc 24/7 for a while.

On Nov 5, 10:00 am, "Zack (Doc)" <z...tnan.net> wrote:
> Very cool... I had guessed that it had something to do
with Folder
> preservation since each "fetch" can
auto-label as it fetches, and
> since you're repeating this for each "folder"
in Hotmail, it would
> help with that as well.
>
> Very interesting to learn that fetching uploaded mails
restores the
> original dates.
>
> On 11/5/07, Nate <natepac...gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Sorry, I forgot to explain that.  For some reason,
when you upload
> > from Gmail Loader to a Gmail account, it changes
the dates on all the
> > emails  as the date you uploaded it as if you had
just forwarded it,
> > so all the emails look like they came in at the
same time.  However,
> > when you have your original gmail address
"fetch" them from the
> > secondary address, all the original received dates
are restored.
>
> > On Nov 5, 3:04 am, "Ryan Morehart"
<moreh...gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I'm just curious, why can't you upload
directly to the real Gmail account?
> > > What function does the second account serve?
>
> > > I've never moved email to Gmail before, so I
really am in the dark.
>
> > > Ryan
>
> > > On 11/4/07, Nate <natepac...gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I have found the best solution for this
problem.  It takes a little
> > > > bit of time, but it works perfectly. 
See, the problem with just
> > > > forwarding all your mail is that you
lose the "from" name, and the
> > > > time that the email came, so emails you
got 2 years ago, look like
> > > > they came in the same time as email you
got 2 minutes ago.
>
> > > > With this solution, you not only keep
the username intact, but it also
> > > > keeps the time that the email arrived. 
Therefore, it looks as if you
> > > > got the email right into your gmail
account originally.  AND, the best
> > > > part is, you can even get your emails in
new gmail labels to mirror
> > > > your hotmail folders.
>
> > > > The key is setting up a 2nd gmail
account as an intermediary account.
> > > > Then you use Thunderbird with the
webmail and hotmail extensions, to
> > > > download all your hotmail, one folder at
a time.  Then use Gmail
> > > > Loader to upload the mail to your
secondary Gmail account, and set up
> > > > Gmail fetcher on your first account to
fetch all the mail from your
> > > > secondary gmail account.  Here, I'll
give it to you step by step:
>
> > > > 1.  Get Thunderbird.  You don't even
need to install it.  The portable
> > > > version will work just fine.  You can
get it here:
> > > >http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/thunderbird_por
table.  (Sorry,
> > > > not sure how to create hyperlinks here.)
 Extract it, then run
> > > > Thunderbird.  When it opens up, it's
going to want you to set up an
> > > > email account.  Skip this for now and
just hit cancel.
>
> > > > 2.  Download the Webmail extension for
Thunderbird.  You can get it
> > > > here:http://w
ebmail.mozdev.org/installation.html.   To install it,
> > > > right-click on the link
"Web-Mail-1.2.5", and "save target as"
> > > > somewhere on your pc.  Go into
Thunderbird and go to Tools > Add-ons.
> > > > Then click "Install" and
browse for the file you just downloaded and
> > > > install it.  It will restart
Thunderbird.
>
> > > > 3.  Now Download the Hotmail extension
from the same place you
> > > > downloaded the Webmail extension, and
follow the same steps in Step 2,
> > > > only this time, when it restarts
Thunderbird, you want to go ahead and
> > > > set up your email account.  Choose
"Web Mail" from the list.  Go
> > > > through and put all your information in.
 Where it asks for username,
> > > > make sure to put in your full email
address.  So put in your full
> > > > email address in both the email address
box and the username box.
> > > > WAIT -  On the last page of the Wizard,
don't choose to download
> > > > messages now.   We need to set up your
hotmail account a bit so we can
> > > > do it one folder at a time.
>
> > > > 4.  Now go back into Tools > Add-Ons,
and go to the options for the
> > > > Hotmail add-on.  Choose the type of
Hotmail account you're using.
> > > > Then go to the POP tab.  Click on the
"Add" button, and type in the
> > > > name of the first folder in your hotmail
folder list.  Type it exactly
> > > > the way it is spelled in your hotmail,
case sensitive.   You can close
> > > > the Add-Ons section.
>
> > > > 5.  Now just click "Get Mail"
in Thunderbird.  If all goes well, it
> > > > should be downloading the folder you
chose.  You should be able to
> > > > tell when they're all downloaded if you
go into your hotmail, and make
> > > > all the mail in that folder
"unread".  That will tell you how many
> > > > emails there were in that folder.  And
you can see that it matches in
> > > > Thunderbird.
>
> > > > Now you should have the first folder of
email downloaded from
> > > > Hotmail.  Next you're going to set up
your intermediate gmail account,
> > > > and use gmail loader to upload to that
account.
>
> > > > 6.  Set up your 2nd gmail account.  Name
it whatever you want.
>
> > > > 7.  Download Gmail Loader here:http://marklyon.org/gmail/

>
> > > > 8.  You can read the instructions there
on how to use it.  It's not
> > > > too hard, but just read the
instructions.  You might have to change
> > > > the SMTP server to a different one that
he will give you on his site.
>
> > > > 9.  Run Gmail Loader to upload  your
Thunderbird mail.  Point Gmail
> > > > Loader to your mail profile in
Thunderbird. I found that in Gmail
> > > > Loader,  under File Type, the second
mbox option worked best for me.
> > > > Put in your secondary email address, and
run it.  Watch your emails go
> > > > to gmail!
>
> > > > 10.  Log in to your original gmail
account.  Go into Settings >
> > > > Accounts.  Go to "get mail from
other accounts" and add your secondary
> > > > gmail account.  Once you've set that up,
it will start "fetching" your
> > > > email from your second gmail account.
>
> > > > 11.  Once all the email is fetched from
your second account, give it
> > > > all the label of the folder you took it
from in Hotmail and archive
> > > > it.  Then delete all the mail in your
2nd gmail account.  (or ou can
> > > > set it to do this automatically when you
set up the fetching.)
>
> > > > 12.  Repeat steps 1-11 for every folder
in your hotmail account.
>
> > > > Hope you have fun!  Let me know if you
have any questions.
>
> > > > Nate
>
> > > > Zack (Doc) wrote:
> > > > > Did you search prior posts to this
group?  Many people have asked
> > > > > about changing from Hotmail to
GMail, and many many solutions have
> > > > > been posted.  Too many for me to
capture here, but the gist is:
>
> > > > > Hotmail (free version) does not
support POP, so you have 2 options;
> > > > > individually forward all the
messages you want to keep, or use a third
> > > > > party site to "turn your
Hotmail into a POP account".
> > > > > If you upgrade to, or are already
on, the paid version of Hotmail,
> > > > > then you have POP.
> > > > > Once you have your Hotmail in a POP
state, you can tell GMail to
> > > > > retrieve it.  POP cannot carry
folder information, so they'll all
> > > > > arrive without prior filing
information; and in waves of messages
> > > > > instead of all at once.
>
> > > > > Search the group (as the admin
rules suggest you do first) and read
> > > > > some of the threads about it.  If
you have a more specific question
> > > > > after doing so, feel free to ask as
someone with personal experience
> > > > > on the subject might be able to
answer.
>
> > > > > On 11/3/07, badbad...gmail.com
<badbad...gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I have been having problems
with my hotmail account and decided it was
> > > > > > time for a change.  Gmail
seems to have lots of services and features
> > > > > > that hotmail doesn't but I
need help with a small problem.  I would
> > > > > > like to transfer my mail
folders from my old hotmail account so I can
> > > > > > delete it completely.  I have
a very large collection of saved
> > > > > > messages and am really hoping
that I won't have to gmail them to
> > > > > > myself one at a time.  Is
there a way to transfer groups of saved
> > > > > > messages from hotmail to
gmail?  PLEASE, does anyone have a
> > > > suggestion?
>
> > > --
> > > Make long URLs memorable:http://urlet.com


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