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* SOAP Search API - passive support from Google - CHANGES -
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* Google no longer actively supporting the SOAP Search API -
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* Issues with "exotic" queries - 2 messages, 2
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* How can I integrate Google search results in third party
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ae0ca08a42a48b48?hl=en
* Ruby Google issues - 1 messages, 1 author
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86639a9a8b8e2f9c?hl=en
* Gmail Contacts - any API to get them ??? - 2 messages, 2
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* Google Bookmarks - any API to get them ??? - 1 messages, 1
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* Google API - 1 messages, 1 author
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* How to use API - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* SpellingSuggestion alternatives - 3 messages, 2 authors
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 12:42 am
From: "chovy"
Manfred wrote:
> To give you an example: the huge demand for keyword
> specific ranking information has led to heavy use for
the
> SOAP API because there is no other legitimate way to
> get this information. No surprise, this brought up
> demands for more than 1000 queries per day or for
> results to mirror the ones from the browser ...
>
> A better solution for this would be to add
functionality
> to the place where it belongs, the "Google
webmaster tools".
>
> Manfred
This is exactly what I'm using the API key for, and had
plans to give
it away for free on my site, supported by Google adsense...
Any way to find out where I rank for searches short of
manually
searching?
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 5:52 am
From: "Manfred"
chovy wrote:
> Manfred wrote:
> > To give you an example: the huge demand for
keyword
> > specific ranking information has led to heavy use
for the
> > SOAP API because there is no other legitimate way
to
> > get this information. No surprise, this brought up
> > demands for more than 1000 queries per day or for
> > results to mirror the ones from the browser ...
> >
> > A better solution for this would be to add
functionality
> > to the place where it belongs, the "Google
webmaster tools".
> >
> > Manfred
>
> This is exactly what I'm using the API key for, and had
plans to give
> it away for free on my site, supported by Google
adsense...
Strictly speaking, "free" is not the same as
"non-commercial" and
it should be irrelevant who is paying you. On the other
hand, it seems
unlikely that Google is going to sue its customer. This
question came
up here from time to time but has never been answered
conclusively.
> Any way to find out where I rank for searches short of
manually
> searching?
As I said, I don't know any other legitimate way yet. A
different
but related statistic is available from Webmaster Tools -
Query
stats which you most probably already know.
Manfred
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 8:19 am
From: ryandeviantresearch.com
First, I appreciate the response and even the existence of
this
discussion.
> The key given to you by Google is not bound by domain
but by account
I had forgotten this, thanks. But a key-domain pair
restriction is at
least possible.
> (From Terms and Conditions):
> The Google SOAP Search API service is made available to
you for
> your personal, non-commercial use only (at home or at
work).
Fair enough. For me, this is implied by the service being in
'beta'
also.
> I would be rather skeptical to add further restrictions
to the API,
> most likely this will solve one problem and introduce
five others.
Perhaps, or perhaps not. At least existing applications
would not
necessarily be affected.
> To give you an example: the huge demand for keyword
> specific ranking information has led to heavy use for
the
> SOAP API because there is no other legitimate way to
> get this information. No surprise, this brought up
> demands for more than 1000 queries per day or for
> results to mirror the ones from the browser ...
This is precisely what I would expect to mitigate through a
single-domain limitation.
No data useful to determining page rank would be returned in
the
context a 'site:' filter, so you may even have a decrease
in these
demands.
I am fairly certain that that a 'site:' limitation
represents a
positive middle ground for the future of this service.
Is there downside that I am missing?
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TOPIC: Google no longer actively supporting the SOAP Search
API
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 12:49 am
From: "chovy"
shankar wrote:
> Tom Stocky wrote:
> > Just to clarify, we're not planning to shut off
the SOAP Search API
> > service for people who are already using it. The
change is that we're
> > not accepting new requests for SOAP Search API
keys and are no longer
> > actively supporting it so that we can concentrate
our efforts on the
> > AJAX Search API:
> > http://code.g
oogle.com/apis/ajaxsearch/
> >
> > Tom Stocky
> > Product Manager, Google
>
> Tom,
>
> I read the shift as being one that discourages the
development of any
> server based value add over google search and
encourages the
> development of browser based value add to google
search.
>
> To me this is a severe restriction on the types of
value one can build
> - but then maybe that is the intent here - google wants
less
> competition ...
>
> Regards,
>
> shankar
Hi Tom,
Thanks for responding in this thread.
I'm in the same boat as Shankar. Although I haven't looked
at the AJAX
documentation, I'm inferring that any app I write would have
to be
AJAXed based...thus limiting to browser use only. Not to
mention
significantly increasing my development time for
cross-browser
compatibility and slowing down the user experience.
Especially if they
aren't using a modern PC loaded with RAM and a fast
processor.
Why not at least make it worthwhile for anyone spending the
time and
effort and remove the non-commercial stipulation? We're not
all college
students.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 2:30 am
From: hpzorngmail.com
Tom Stocky schrieb:
> Just to clarify, we're not planning to shut off the
SOAP Search API
> service for people who are already using it. The
change is that we're
> not accepting new requests for SOAP Search API keys and
are no longer
> actively supporting it so that we can concentrate our
efforts on the
> AJAX Search API:
> http://code.g
oogle.com/apis/ajaxsearch/
>
> Tom Stocky
> Product Manager, Google
Thats bad news for anybody using the soap API for doing
natural
language processing research like named entity recognition,
ontology
learning, web-as-corpus etc...
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 6:07 am
From: "Manfred"
hpzorngmail.com wrote:
> Tom Stocky schrieb:
>
> > Just to clarify, we're not planning to shut off
the SOAP Search API
> > service for people who are already using it. The
change is that we're
> > not accepting new requests for SOAP Search API
keys and are no longer
> > actively supporting it so that we can concentrate
our efforts on the
> > AJAX Search API:
> > http://code.g
oogle.com/apis/ajaxsearch/
> >
> > Tom Stocky
> > Product Manager, Google
>
> Thats bad news for anybody using the soap API for doing
natural
> language processing research like named entity
recognition, ontology
> learning, web-as-corpus etc...
Hi hp,
OT: As my site relies heavily on 16th century German I would
be
interested to learn about your approach (mail).
Manfred
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 11:40 am
From: "dloomer"
Just thought you all might want to know that this topic is
getting some
attention; first off, the Register has run with it and has
made some
specific references to this thread:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/19/google_axes
_soap_api/
In addition, Digg has featured that same article, and as of
this moment
there have been 30 comments from users:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/19/google_axes
_soap_api/
The "Google Blogoscoped" blog has also covered it
and received 24 user
comments:
http://blog.outer-court.com/archive/2006-12-18-n73.html
A lot of people care about this...
Manfred wrote:
> >From Google:
>
> As of December 5, 2006, we are no longer actively
supporting the
> SOAP Search API. We encourage you to use the AJAX
Search API instead.
>
> The AJAX Search API is better suited for search-based
web applications
> and
> supports additional features like Video, News, Maps,
and Blog search
> results.
>
> For developers who are already using the SOAP Search
API, we've kept
> the
> documentation live on this site.
> htt
p://code.google.com/apis/soapsearch/index.html
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> Does this mean any change ?
>
> Manfred
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 11:42 am
From: "dloomer"
Oops, the Digg link should be:
http://digg.com/tech_news/Google_quietly_axes_search_API
dloomer wrote:
> Just thought you all might want to know that this topic
is getting some
> attention; first off, the Register has run with it and
has made some
> specific references to this thread:
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/19/google_axes
_soap_api/
>
> In addition, Digg has featured that same article, and
as of this moment
> there have been 30 comments from users:
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/19/google_axes
_soap_api/
>
> The "Google Blogoscoped" blog has also
covered it and received 24 user
> comments:
>
> http://blog.outer-court.com/archive/2006-12-18-n73.html
>
>
> A lot of people care about this...
>
>
> Manfred wrote:
> > >From Google:
> >
> > As of December 5, 2006, we are no longer actively
supporting the
> > SOAP Search API. We encourage you to use the AJAX
Search API instead.
> >
> > The AJAX Search API is better suited for
search-based web applications
> > and
> > supports additional features like Video, News,
Maps, and Blog search
> > results.
> >
> > For developers who are already using the SOAP
Search API, we've kept
> > the
> > documentation live on this site.
> > htt
p://code.google.com/apis/soapsearch/index.html
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------
> >
> > Does this mean any change ?
> >
> > Manfred
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TOPIC: Issues with "exotic" queries
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 1:54 am
From: eventures2000gmail.com
Hi There,
I'm having trouble getting results using the AJAX API when
there are
very little resuls like in:
Web Search for "timothy smith"
(ht
tp://www.google.com/search?q=%22timothy+smith%22)
-- or --
a News Search for "david silber"
(http
://news.google.com/news?q=%22david+silber%22)
In those cases the API will act as if there are no results
or return
gWebSearch.results.length = 1 but the results set will be
empty.
Is this a known issue? Is there a solution/workaround for
it?
Thanks.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 4:56 am
From: "Manfred"
eventures2000gmail.com wrote:
> I'm having trouble getting results using the AJAX API
when there are
> very little resuls like in:
>
> Web Search for "timothy smith"
> (ht
tp://www.google.com/search?q=%22timothy+smith%22)
> -- or --
> a News Search for "david silber"
> (http
://news.google.com/news?q=%22david+silber%22)
>
> In those cases the API will act as if there are no
results or return
> gWebSearch.results.length = 1 but the results set will
be empty.
>
> Is this a known issue? Is there a solution/workaround
for it?
Pls post this to
http://groups.google.com/group/Google-AJAX
-Search-API?lnk=lr&hl=en
Manfred
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TOPIC: How can I integrate Google search results in third
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 5:03 am
From: "Manfred"
robert.viseurgmail.com wrote:
> > Have you asked this at
> > http://groups.google.com/group/Google-AJAX
-Search-API?lnk=lr&hl=en
> > ?
>
> It is unfortunatley unuseful, here the answer in an old
post in AJAX
> API newsgroup (I work in PHP but principle is the same)
:
>
> "the AJAX Search API is made available through
Javascript. You can use
> it on your intranet based web pages, but it is not
directly callable
> from Java"
>
> Google makes a very bad joke to the users of the SOAP
API...
Agreed.
> Alternative solution would be really welcome (I have
four online
> services which doesn't work since API SOAP stops
working fine).
The SOAP API works unchanged for me. What is your problem?
Manfred
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 6:09 am
From: robert.viseurgmail.com
> The SOAP API works unchanged for me.
Ah !?
> What is your problem?
No result for me. Hazardous work (one fine result / display
for 3 bad
result) for one of my friends.
I debug deeply and come again.
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TOPIC: Ruby Google issues
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 5:12 am
From: "Manfred"
thelocalhostgmail.com wrote:
> I am having troubles with an example from the PickAxe
Ruby book by Dave
> Thomas.
>
> Does this having anything to do with this recent key
business, or
> depreciated SOAP? Why am I getting a 502?
>
502 seems to be a load balancing problem on Googls side and
is
experienced in irregular intervals. Please read and post to
http://groups
.google.com/group/google.public.web-apis/browse_thread/threa
d/32a1dccd0bcda746/?hl=en#
Manfred
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TOPIC: Gmail Contacts - any API to get them ???
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 5:20 am
From: "Manfred"
slishnevsky wrote:
> """Manfred ΠΙΣΑΜ(Α):
> """
> > slishnevsky wrote:
> > > I wonder if there is any Google API that I
can use to work with my
> > > Gmail Contacts ???
> > This is the discussion group for questions about
implementing the
> > non-commercial, beta Google SOAP Search API.
> > For the list of Google APIs see http://code.google.c
om/apis.html
> >
> > Manfred
>
> I don't understand what that means.
>
> I wonder if there is any Google API that I can use to
work with my
> Google Bookmarks ???
This SOAP Search API is certainly not. I provided the link
above
so you can read up yourself for all the other APIs.
Hope this helps,
Manfred
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 8:27 am
From: "slishnevsky"
Thanks, I have read about these APIs, but I haven't found
any that can
handle Gmail Contacts or Google Bookmarks. That's why I am
asking if
anyone know if such functionality is exposed to public in
any form.
I know that there is gadget called Google Bookmarks, that
allows to
work with Google Bookmarks. Meaning that this gadget was
written
somehow. I wonder what can I use to write something similar.
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TOPIC: Google Bookmarks - any API to get them ???
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 5:23 am
From: "Manfred"
slishnevsky wrote:
> """Manfred ΠΙΣΑΜ(Α):
> """
> > slishnevsky wrote:
> > > I wonder if there is any Google API that I
can use to work with my
> > > Google Bookmarks ???
> > This is the discussion group for questions about
implementing the
> > non-commercial, beta Google SOAP Search API.
> > For the list of Google APIs see http://code.google.c
om/apis.html
> >
> > Manfred
>
> I don't understand what that means.
>
> I wonder if there is any Google API that I can use to
work with my
> Google Bookmarks ???
This SOAP Search API is certainly not. I provided the link
above
so you can read up yourself for all the other APIs.
Hope this helps,
Manfred
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TOPIC: Google API
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 6:15 am
From: "Cash Money"
how to use API
Manfred wrote:
> guir wrote:
> > If I use Google API as mentioned in
> > http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/PHP/Creat
e-Your-Own-Search-Engine-with...
> > , to buld my own search site is it illegal?
> It depends ...
>
> > If a site providing FREE web search using Google
API, but extracted
> > results are formatted according to site's layout,
will that become
> > illegal.
> Formating is not a problem.
> Free is not sufficient: for example you cannot run a
site with ads
> selected by query terms on it.
>
> ... you may not use the search results provided by the
Google
> SOAP Search API service with an existing product or
service
> that competes with products or services offered by
Google.
> http://code.google.com/apis/soapsearch/api_terms.html
>
> Hope you got your key in time
>
> Manfred
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TOPIC: How to use API
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 6:18 am
From: "Cash Money"
HI Friends
How to use API ??
IS IT A LINK ???
OR WHERE TO PUT THE LINK ???
THANKS
DAVID
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 7:51 am
From: "Manfred"
Cash Money wrote:
> How to use API ??
>
> IS IT A LINK ???
> OR WHERE TO PUT THE LINK ???
Hi David,
If you don't have a key from Google already you cannot use
it.
For basic FAQs see
h
ttp://code.google.com/apis/soapsearch/api_faq.html
(Please consider also using lower-case)
Manfred
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TOPIC: SpellingSuggestion alternatives
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 10:33 am
From: "codemerc"
Anyone know of an alternative to the SpellingSuggestion
function of the
SOAP API? Is there a similar function in any other google
API? I've
looked at one or two commercial alternatives, the ones I've
seen are
expensive but also don't seem to work as well as
SpellingSuggestion!
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 12:43 pm
From: "Manfred"
codemerc wrote:
> Anyone know of an alternative to the SpellingSuggestion
function of the
> SOAP API? Is there a similar function in any other
google API? I've
> looked at one or two commercial alternatives, the ones
I've seen are
> expensive but also don't seem to work as well as
SpellingSuggestion!
If you have a key it should work as before.
Manfred
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 2:08 pm
From: "Manfred"
codemerc wrote:
> Anyone know of an alternative to the SpellingSuggestion
function of the
> SOAP API?
You also might want to check
http://www.o
peninventions.com/spellcheck
Manfred
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