hula news?

Hi,

It has been very silent on the mailing list
for the last 20 days and the last commit
on the svn was 18 days ago.

Are there any news from Novell about Hula?
What's with the work on the project?
As you know I want to help with c programming,
but only when Hula is seperated from Novell
or when the community has the controll over the
project.

I hope that my fears don't become
true and hula is dead.

Greetings
Sebastian
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I don't think Hula is dead.

I'm not on IRC currently so maybe there's much discussion
there.

Anyway, if nobody has any contact with Novell in the last 20
days, I
would suggest that we fix a deadline (say something like 10
or 15 of
January, so there's no Christmas excuse). If there's no news
from
Novell at this time, we take all we can take and go alone
without
expecting anything from Novell anymore. (this means using
our own SVN
and website and so forth. This is not a negative decision to
say that
we will reject anything from Novell from that date, au
contraire !
It's just that, from this deadline, novell and people from
novell will
be considered as any other contributor and we will no more
rely on
them).

Maybe this is not needed at all and there is a lot of news
coming from
novell everywhere but on this list !  It's just that I can
understand
your fear so, instead of fearing, we can just take decisions
without
waiting for them 

Lionel

On 12/21/06, Sebastian Döll <sdpixelmilk.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It has been very silent on the mailing list
> for the last 20 days and the last commit
> on the svn was 18 days ago.
>
> Are there any news from Novell about Hula?
> What's with the work on the project?
> As you know I want to help with c programming,
> but only when Hula is seperated from Novell
> or when the community has the controll over the
> project.
>
> I hope that my fears don't become
> true and hula is dead.
>
> Greetings
> Sebastian
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I totally agree. It's time to start moving on.  We can't sit
around and wait for stuff to happen.  I propose we start
voting on possible SVN tools we could use and what not.
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On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:51:31 +0100, you wrote:

>Hi,

Hi Sebastian,

>Are there any news from Novell about Hula?

If the way Novell is talking to customers is any guideline I
wouldn't expect an
answer soon. At work we
are trying to get GroupWise working with e-dir and
active directory and every question our integrator is asking
Novell
(Netherlands) gets answered with "We are waiting on
Novell US"And that waiting
is taking a long time. It's like no one wants to make a
decision and points to
the other guy/girl.

This is legal we're talking about and they have to think 4
times before daring
to answer anything so...... 

We'll just have to patience I guess 

>I hope that my fears don't become
>true and hula is dead.

No it's not, take a look at the forum, already people are
asking questions. We
are the ones who will keep Hula alive. Things just have be
done the right and
proper way, and that always takes time.

>Greetings
>Sebastian

SeeYa,
Michel
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Hey Lionel,

Le jeudi 21 décembre 2006 à 22:30 +0100, Lionel Dricot a
écrit :
> I don't think Hula is dead.
> 
> I'm not on IRC currently so maybe there's much
discussion there.
> 
> Anyway, if nobody has any contact with Novell in the
last 20 days, I
> would suggest that we fix a deadline (say something
like 10 or 15 of
> January, so there's no Christmas excuse). If there's no
news from
> Novell at this time, we take all we can take and go
alone without
> expecting anything from Novell anymore. (this means
using our own SVN
> and website and so forth. This is not a negative
decision to say that
> we will reject anything from Novell from that date, au
contraire !
> It's just that, from this deadline, novell and people
from novell will
> be considered as any other contributor and we will no
more rely on
> them).

Unfortunately IMHO I believe Novell still owns the name and
the related
domains (please correct me if I'm wrong). So we can't just
leave Novell
this way, or we would have to rename the project as well and
loose all
the recognition that it already has.

> 
> Maybe this is not needed at all and there is a lot of
news coming from
> novell everywhere but on this list !  It's just that I
can understand
> your fear so, instead of fearing, we can just take
decisions without
> waiting for them 
> Lionel

I can confirm that I ask Alex Hudson, who is the one in
contact with
Novell, and somebody asked again on IRC today after
Sebastian's email,
but he hasn't had any news from their side. He promised he
was going to
chase them but he is very busy over the christmas period. So
for the
moment I think we need to be patient 

Hope that answers your questions
Cheers
LeTic

> 
> On 12/21/06, Sebastian Döll <sdpixelmilk.de> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > It has been very silent on the mailing list
> > for the last 20 days and the last commit
> > on the svn was 18 days ago.
> >
> > Are there any news from Novell about Hula?
> > What's with the work on the project?
> > As you know I want to help with c programming,
> > but only when Hula is seperated from Novell
> > or when the community has the controll over the
> > project.
> >
> > I hope that my fears don't become
> > true and hula is dead.
> >
> > Greetings
> > Sebastian
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hula-general mailing list
> > Hula-generalforge.novell.com
> > http://forge.novell.com/mailman/listinfo/hula-general
> >
> _______________________________________________
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hi,

you're right and Ii'm sure, that hula
is just released under the
gnu lesser general public license (lgpl) and
the mozilla public license (mpl).
tell me I'm wrong but that's
what was in the news and
on the official press releases of novell.

ok, if novell will not answer until
the middle or end of december,
the rights on hula are clear and
no one other will do some things:
i'm going to make a forke from
the project with my infrastructure
and some people who want to help.

i hope, that i haven't to go that
far, but i really want hula a my mail server,
because the base of hula is so excellent
and i don't mean only dragonfly
or a lesser hula-lite thing,
as i told early.

happy holidays and
don't sit on the computers all the time .

bye
sebastian

Am 22.12.2006 um 00:18 schrieb Anthony Callegaro:

> Hey Lionel,
>
> Le jeudi 21 décembre 2006 à 22:30 +0100, Lionel Dricot
a écrit :
>> I don't think Hula is dead.
>>
>> I'm not on IRC currently so maybe there's much
discussion there.
>>
>> Anyway, if nobody has any contact with Novell in
the last 20 days, I
>> would suggest that we fix a deadline (say something
like 10 or 15 of
>> January, so there's no Christmas excuse). If
there's no news from
>> Novell at this time, we take all we can take and go
alone without
>> expecting anything from Novell anymore. (this means
using our own SVN
>> and website and so forth. This is not a negative
decision to say that
>> we will reject anything from Novell from that date,
au contraire !
>> It's just that, from this deadline, novell and
people from novell  
>> will
>> be considered as any other contributor and we will
no more rely on
>> them).
>
> Unfortunately IMHO I believe Novell still owns the name
and the  
> related
> domains (please correct me if I'm wrong). So we can't
just leave  
> Novell
> this way, or we would have to rename the project as
well and loose all
> the recognition that it already has.
>
>>
>> Maybe this is not needed at all and there is a lot
of news coming  
>> from
>> novell everywhere but on this list !  It's just
that I can understand
>> your fear so, instead of fearing, we can just take
decisions without
>> waiting for them 
>> Lionel
>
> I can confirm that I ask Alex Hudson, who is the one in
contact with
> Novell, and somebody asked again on IRC today after
Sebastian's email,
> but he hasn't had any news from their side. He promised
he was  
> going to
> chase them but he is very busy over the christmas
period. So for the
> moment I think we need to be patient 
>
> Hope that answers your questions
> Cheers
> LeTic
>
>>
>> On 12/21/06, Sebastian Döll <sdpixelmilk.de> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> It has been very silent on the mailing list
>>> for the last 20 days and the last commit
>>> on the svn was 18 days ago.
>>>
>>> Are there any news from Novell about Hula?
>>> What's with the work on the project?
>>> As you know I want to help with c programming,
>>> but only when Hula is seperated from Novell
>>> or when the community has the controll over the
>>> project.
>>>
>>> I hope that my fears don't become
>>> true and hula is dead.
>>>
>>> Greetings
>>> Sebastian
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Hula-general mailing list
>>> Hula-generalforge.novell.com
>>> http://forge.novell.com/mailman/listinfo/hula-general
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://forge.novell.com/mailman/listinfo/hula-general
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hi,

you're right and Ii'm sure, that hula
is just released under the
gnu lesser general public license (lgpl) and
the mozilla public license (mpl).
tell me I'm wrong but that's
what was in the news and
on the official press releases of novell.

ok, if novell will not answer until
the middle or end of december,
the rights on hula are clear and
no one other will do some things:
i'm going to make a forke from
the project with my infrastructure
and some people who want to help.

i hope, that i haven't to go that
far, but i really want hula a my mail server,
because the base of hula is so excellent
and i don't mean only dragonfly
or a lesser hula-lite thing,
as i told early.

happy holidays and
don't sit on the computers all the time .

bye
sebastian

Am 22.12.2006 um 00:18 schrieb Anthony Callegaro:

> Hey Lionel,
>
> Le jeudi 21 décembre 2006 à 22:30 +0100, Lionel Dricot
a écrit :
>> I don't think Hula is dead.
>>
>> I'm not on IRC currently so maybe there's much
discussion there.
>>
>> Anyway, if nobody has any contact with Novell in
the last 20 days, I
>> would suggest that we fix a deadline (say something
like 10 or 15 of
>> January, so there's no Christmas excuse). If
there's no news from
>> Novell at this time, we take all we can take and go
alone without
>> expecting anything from Novell anymore. (this means
using our own SVN
>> and website and so forth. This is not a negative
decision to say that
>> we will reject anything from Novell from that date,
au contraire !
>> It's just that, from this deadline, novell and
people from novell  
>> will
>> be considered as any other contributor and we will
no more rely on
>> them).
>
> Unfortunately IMHO I believe Novell still owns the name
and the  
> related
> domains (please correct me if I'm wrong). So we can't
just leave  
> Novell
> this way, or we would have to rename the project as
well and loose all
> the recognition that it already has.
>
>>
>> Maybe this is not needed at all and there is a lot
of news coming  
>> from
>> novell everywhere but on this list !  It's just
that I can understand
>> your fear so, instead of fearing, we can just take
decisions without
>> waiting for them 
>> Lionel
>
> I can confirm that I ask Alex Hudson, who is the one in
contact with
> Novell, and somebody asked again on IRC today after
Sebastian's email,
> but he hasn't had any news from their side. He promised
he was  
> going to
> chase them but he is very busy over the christmas
period. So for the
> moment I think we need to be patient 
>
> Hope that answers your questions
> Cheers
> LeTic
>
>>
>> On 12/21/06, Sebastian Döll <sdpixelmilk.de> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> It has been very silent on the mailing list
>>> for the last 20 days and the last commit
>>> on the svn was 18 days ago.
>>>
>>> Are there any news from Novell about Hula?
>>> What's with the work on the project?
>>> As you know I want to help with c programming,
>>> but only when Hula is seperated from Novell
>>> or when the community has the controll over the
>>> project.
>>>
>>> I hope that my fears don't become
>>> true and hula is dead.
>>>
>>> Greetings
>>> Sebastian
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Hula-general mailing list
>>> Hula-generalforge.novell.com
>>> http://forge.novell.com/mailman/listinfo/hula-general
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://forge.novell.com/mailman/listinfo/hula-general
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Sebastian,

On Fri, 2006-12-22 at 06:44 +0100, Sebastian Döll wrote:
> hi,
> 
> you're right and Ii'm sure, that hula
> is just released under the
> gnu lesser general public license (lgpl) and
> the mozilla public license (mpl).
> tell me I'm wrong but that's
> what was in the news and
> on the official press releases of novell.
> 

Hula is released under the GNU Public License (GPL), not the
LGPL
(Lesser GNU Public License), nor the MPL (in fact, the MPL
is completely
unrelated).

> ok, if novell will not answer until
> the middle or end of december,
> the rights on hula are clear and
> no one other will do some things:
> i'm going to make a forke from
> the project with my infrastructure
> and some people who want to help.
> 
> i hope, that i haven't to go that
> far, but i really want hula a my mail server,
> because the base of hula is so excellent
> and i don't mean only dragonfly
> or a lesser hula-lite thing,
> as i told early.

At this current stage, I really wouldn't recommend doing it,
but if you
feel it's necessary, go ahead - though, I don't think all
too many
people from the original project will help.

> happy holidays and
> don't sit on the computers all the time .
> 
> bye
> sebastian

Regards,
Alex

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Ok, I was refering to this:

http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2005/02/pr
05014.html

But in the project page http://www.hula-
project.org/Licenses
is the GPL mentioned. What is right? That has to be cleared
up because LGPL is no option.

I don't mean someone from Novell,
but to make it community-driven and
to have control. This is only when
nothing happens so far in the next weeks.

Because I don't want to wait any longer and
we will get no one (outside Novell
and a small number of external developers)
  to work on it, when it isn't
community-driven and controlled.

Bye
Sebastian

Am 22.12.2006 um 23:46 schrieb Alexander Hixon:

> Sebastian,
>
> On Fri, 2006-12-22 at 06:44 +0100, Sebastian Döll
wrote:
>> hi,
>>
>> you're right and Ii'm sure, that hula
>> is just released under the
>> gnu lesser general public license (lgpl) and
>> the mozilla public license (mpl).
>> tell me I'm wrong but that's
>> what was in the news and
>> on the official press releases of novell.
>>
>
> Hula is released under the GNU Public License (GPL),
not the LGPL
> (Lesser GNU Public License), nor the MPL (in fact, the
MPL is  
> completely
> unrelated).
>
>> ok, if novell will not answer until
>> the middle or end of december,
>> the rights on hula are clear and
>> no one other will do some things:
>> i'm going to make a forke from
>> the project with my infrastructure
>> and some people who want to help.
>>
>> i hope, that i haven't to go that
>> far, but i really want hula a my mail server,
>> because the base of hula is so excellent
>> and i don't mean only dragonfly
>> or a lesser hula-lite thing,
>> as i told early.
>
> At this current stage, I really wouldn't recommend
doing it, but if  
> you
> feel it's necessary, go ahead - though, I don't think
all too many
> people from the original project will help.
>
>> happy holidays and
>> don't sit on the computers all the time .
>>
>> bye
>> sebastian
>
> Regards,
> Alex
>
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this post came across the dev list on 9/27/2005 3:12 PM:
---------snip----------------------------
FYI,

I just updated the Novell licensing from LGPL to GPL. 
Anyone updating
will see a pretty big diff.

Tyler Peterson
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---------snip----------------------------

that corresponds to rev 518 commit by Tyler Peterson with
the log:

Updating licensing to GPL.


patching approximately 333 files

so, it was originally released under lgpl, but then moved to
gpl.

pat
(fatpelt on irc)

Sebastian Döll wrote:
> Ok, I was refering to this:
>
> http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2005/02/pr
05014.html
>
> But in the project page http://www.hula-
project.org/Licenses
> is the GPL mentioned. What is right? That has to be
cleared
> up because LGPL is no option.
>
> I don't mean someone from Novell,
> but to make it community-driven and
> to have control. This is only when
> nothing happens so far in the next weeks.
>
> Because I don't want to wait any longer and
> we will get no one (outside Novell
> and a small number of external developers)
>  to work on it, when it isn't
> community-driven and controlled.
>
> Bye
> Sebastian
>
> Am 22.12.2006 um 23:46 schrieb Alexander Hixon:
>
>> Sebastian,
>>
>> On Fri, 2006-12-22 at 06:44 +0100, Sebastian Döll
wrote:
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> you're right and Ii'm sure, that hula
>>> is just released under the
>>> gnu lesser general public license (lgpl) and
>>> the mozilla public license (mpl).
>>> tell me I'm wrong but that's
>>> what was in the news and
>>> on the official press releases of novell.
>>>
>>
>> Hula is released under the GNU Public License
(GPL), not the LGPL
>> (Lesser GNU Public License), nor the MPL (in fact,
the MPL is completely
>> unrelated).
>>
>>> ok, if novell will not answer until
>>> the middle or end of december,
>>> the rights on hula are clear and
>>> no one other will do some things:
>>> i'm going to make a forke from
>>> the project with my infrastructure
>>> and some people who want to help.
>>>
>>> i hope, that i haven't to go that
>>> far, but i really want hula a my mail server,
>>> because the base of hula is so excellent
>>> and i don't mean only dragonfly
>>> or a lesser hula-lite thing,
>>> as i told early.
>>
>> At this current stage, I really wouldn't recommend
doing it, but if you
>> feel it's necessary, go ahead - though, I don't
think all too many
>> people from the original project will help.
>>
>>> happy holidays and
>>> don't sit on the computers all the time .
>>>
>>> bye
>>> sebastian
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alex
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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