Debbie and all,
First and again, lets try to keep those CC's trimmed ok
Debbie?
I trimmed them for the 12th time for you again here.
Second, I agree as well. Now the ? remains, how are the
"views of the membership" to be determined? Rough
consensus,
or by majority vote? I say, majority vote.
Debbie Garside wrote:
> Danny wrote:
>
> > As such, I would change the wording to read
"to ascertain and
> > transmit the views of the membership".
>
> I think that is a well reasoned change to make. Very
often when conducting
> market research, the opinions one is after are not
necessarily those of the
> majority. To present both sides and their rationales
could be very helpful
> to ICANN and the associated bodies in formulating
policy changes that take
> into account the views and concerns of all. I am for
this change and unless
> I hear to the contrary, I will incorporate it within
the next version.
>
> > Please note that as some list participants are
articulating
> > the views of special-interest communities (this is
a
> > cross-constituency platform), the output of this
body cannot
> > necessarily be viewed as the "views of the
ordinary citizen".
>
> One thing I am trying to get across in these rules, and
this is something
> that I think is most important to allow freedom for
participation, is that
> the people participating are individuals and, unless
otherwise stated (as is
> the case with our current Chair posting as himself or
as Chair); their
> comments and opinions are their own and not necessarily
those of the
> organizations that they generally represent. This
gives each individual the
> right to express an individual opinion whether they be
Board member, Chair
> or any other related position. Thus when I post it is
as me, myself and I
> and not as MD of this company, CEO of that, Board
Member of this or that or
> the other.
>
> Comments and wording on this would be most welcome -
assuming you agree.
>
> Best
>
> Debbie
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ga gnso.icann.org
> > [mailto:owner-gagnso.icann.org] On Behalf
Of Danny Younger
> > Sent: 26 July 2007 13:46
> > To: debbieictmarketing.co.uk; terastraterabytz.co.nz;
> > gagnso.icann.org
> > Subject: RE: [ga] primary objectives of the
General Assembly
> > mailing list
> >
> > Joop has put forward a very reasonable concern.
> >
> > The power of the Chair to determine rough
consensus can
> > easily be abused (as is the case at the moment
within the
> > GNSO's WHOIS WG where the BC Chair Philip Shepard
is
> > declaring "agreement" on language where
no such agreement
> > exists -- and we've seen this happen before when
BC members
> > have chaired other working groups such as the
earlier DNSO Review WG).
> >
> > With that said, I think we're making a mistake by
becoming
> > infatuated with the notion of attaining and
representing a
> > consensus view. If this body will ever get to the
point of
> > issuing documents to the Board, it will be more
important to
> > record and transmit all views and the rationale
for such
> > views (as this body is, by definition, not a
constituency
> > that has the obligation to endeavor to represent a
rough consensus).
> >
> > As such, I would change the wording to read
"to ascertain and
> > transmit the views of the membership".
> >
> > Please note that as some list participants are
articulating
> > the views of special-interest communities (this is
a
> > cross-constituency platform), the output of this
body cannot
> > necessarily be viewed as the "views of the
ordinary citizen".
> >
> >
> > Joop wrote:
> >
> > Frankly, I'm a bit worried about any mechanism
that purports
> > "to ascertain and represent the consensual
views of the
> > ordinary citizen as a collective" if it isn't
based on voting
> > and counting.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k
members/stakeholders strong!)
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Abraham Lincoln
"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not
with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the
burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied
by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
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