changed html layout with IB2.4

Hi,

with IB2.4 the layout of
http://www.bau.de/forum/liste.htm
looks a little cramped.
The distance between seperate items with a number was larger with IB2.3 which made the page easier to read.

With IB2.3 ----------------------------
1. a thread without numbered postings

2. a thread with numbered postings
1. posting 1
2. posting 2
3. posting 3

3. a thread without numbered postings

4. a thread without numbered postings

With IB2.4 ----------------------------
1. a thread without numbered postings
2. a thread with numbered postings
1. posting 1
2. posting 2
3. posting 3

3. a thread without numbered postings
4. a thread without numbered postings

no big deal, though.
Just wanted to mention this small thing that has become worse among so many things that were improved.

regards, Albrecht
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On Mon, 2006-12-25 at 20:25 +0100, Albrecht Kinzkofer wrote:
> with IB2.4 the layout of
> http://www.bau.de/forum/liste.htm
> looks a little cramped.

Which is full of errors, so not a "good" example...

> The distance between seperate items with a number was larger with IB2.3 which made the page easier to read.
>;
>
> With IB2.3 ----------------------------
> 1. a thread without numbered postings
>
> 2. a thread with numbered postings
> 1. posting 1
> 2. posting 2
> 3. posting 3
>
> 3. a thread without numbered postings
>
> 4. a thread without numbered postings

That sort of listing (above) shouldn't really happen by default, but
only if the author has deliberately written things to increase the
spacing between some items (not how the above mentioned page did it,
though - other elements in a list MUST go inside the list item elements,
not outside of them). Doing so by default would make some lists much
larger than they needed to be.

>; With IB2.4 ----------------------------
> 1. a thread without numbered postings
> 2. a thread with numbered postings
> 1. posting 1
> 2. posting 2
> 3. posting 3
>
> 3. a thread without numbered postings
> 4. a thread without numbered postings

Nested listings should appear somewhat more like the above example, by
default, though without the gap before thread 3.

A nested list without gaps:

<ol>
<li>line by itself</li>

<li>sub-heading
<ol><li>item</li>
<li>item</li></ol>
</li>;

<li>sub-heading
<ol><li>item</li>
<li>item</li></ol>
</li>;
</ol&gt;

A nested list using HTML to increase spacing between items:

<ol>
<li><p>line by itself<p></li>

&lt;li><;p>sub-heading</p>
<ol><li>&lt;p>item</p>;</li>;
<li><p>item</p&gt;</li&gt;</ol&gt;
</li>;

<li><p&gt;sub-heading</p&gt;
<ol><li>&lt;p>item</p>;</li>;
<li><p>item</p&gt;</li&gt;</ol&gt;
</li>;
</ol&gt;

While not really "paragraphs,&quot; they do put paragraph spacing around the
entries in a HTML-error-free manner. On a browser that supported CSS,
you'd make some rules about increasing the spacing of lists inside other
list items.

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Hello Tim,

&gt;> With IB2.3 ----------------------------
>> 1. a thread without numbered postings
>>
>> 2. a thread with numbered postings
>> 1. posting 1
>>; 2. posting 2
>>; 3. posting 3
>>;
>> 3. a thread without numbered postings
>>
>> 4. a thread without numbered postings
>
> That sort of listing (above) shouldn't really happen by default, but
> only if the author has deliberately written things to increase the
> spacing between some items (not how the above mentioned page did it,
> though - other elements in a list MUST go inside the list item elements,
> not outside of them). Doing so by default would make some lists much
> larger than they needed to be.

Well, the inbetween spacing was larger with IB2.3, if I remember correctly. Maybe IB2.4 handels this html code more accurately but the result (for this particular page) is less readable.

With IE and Firefox the result is like what IB2.3 displays: There is also an extra spacing between threads without further postings beneath them (like in the example above)

>> With IB2.4 ----------------------------
>> 1. a thread without numbered postings
>> 2. a thread with numbered postings
>> 1. posting 1
>>; 2. posting 2
>>; 3. posting 3
>>;
>> 3. a thread without numbered postings
>> 4. a thread without numbered postings
>
> Nested listings should appear somewhat more like the above example, by
> default, though without the gap before thread 3.

I see. As often, there seems to be a gap between theory (what should be) and what the existing browser really do.

Anyway, thanks very much for the explanation!

regards, Albrecht
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On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 21:32 +0100, Albrecht Kinzkofer wrote:
&gt; Well, the inbetween spacing was larger with IB2.3, if I remember
> correctly. Maybe IB2.4 handels this html code more accurately but the
> result (for this particular page) is less readable.

I seem to recall that it made the classic blunder with this sort of
thing:

<ul&gt;
<li><p>something</p></li>
<li><p>more</p&gt;</li&gt;
</ul>

Displayed, erroneously as:

*
Something

*
More

Instead of:

* Something

* More

Thanks to the web browser author misimplementing HTML rendering.

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