Point of information: today's article
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070404_gw_mars.html, which reflects commentary on both sides of the issue as to
whether Man "or" solar warming is responsible for our global warming.
Doesn't really prove anything either way, even if you don't factor in that due to
special interests' funding corrupting studies on both sides, we still fon't have
reliable science to go by. What remains clear, though, is that the climate
is changing very rapidly, agriculture is being affected and may result in
global gamine, other consequences of the climate cascade can be probably expected;
there is a clear need for contingency planning for these and other effects; it
seems wise for the selection of contingency preparations implemented to be
beneficial or profitable in their own right not only there to prevent disaster.
...win
In a message dated 4/4/2007 11:12:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
vzon17%40yahoo.com">vzon17
yahoo.com writes:
> Hi Con,
>; Your senses are not lying to you.
>; Sure no doubt that climate change is happening and it is very real, I can
> see it too, I watch it all the time. that is not the arguement at all. Your
> senses are not lying to you at all and there is massive climactic change
> happening, it always has for centuries and always will.
> the point in the global warming agenda is really "what is the cause"; and
> that is where most people are off track. it is politically correct to blame mans
> activities. However If it is the sun that causes the climate change then all
> the solutions we come up with dont amount to a hill of beans, as far as any
> impact on global warming.
>
> But dont get me wrong I am all for alternate energy, I love that area of
> research and investigation, but for me it has nothing to do with any belief in
> global warming. It is just great for us to find new sources of cheap clean and
> hopefully free energy. I am all for that. I have a lot of ideas for doing
> that and create new ones all the time.
>
> There is one premise in logic you may not be implementing and that is if you
> start from a false premise, even if all your thinking is correct than you
> will end up with a false solution. and that is what is happening.
> Yes
> The climate is changing, the globe is warming, true sometimes. but if you
> looked at the movie all the way through that is not always so because it was
> cooling until in the 70s, and the popular thing then was global cooling. And
> there was a scare that we are heading into an ice age. now its warming up and
> the popular thing is global warming.
>
> Next part of equation needs to be addressed then what is the cause. If you
> get that answer wrong them you are barking up the wrong tree. You can bark
> till you are blue in the face and it wont change one bit or whatever you do will
> have no effect because you are not addressing the primary cause. So as an
> exercise in thinking which is part of what this forum is about, check your head
> because if you dont get all the steps right then. you only affect your own
> credibility with what you say. Passion does not replace facts, it only makes
> fanatics if they are working with false data.
>
> - Your sensory data is correct, you see climate change
> - The globe is warming.
> - But what is the cause??? That part needs to be a fact to make ones actions
> have any validity.
>
> So I dont want to look like I am just talking about global warming here, but
> using that popular belief as a tool to examine ones own thought processes
> and see where the idea comes from and is it really our idea? Where did it come
> from? And why do we have a need to defend it? It really says more about our
> character when it comes down to what we believe and defend.
>
> I uphold your sensory data and your right to take that as reality because it
> is. As to the cause that has to be deduced through analysis and deduction
> and measurement of the facts over time. That is how the cause is determined.
> When those facts are produces and people ignore them and still cling to their
> beliefs, they are not function on the basis of reality. they are functioning
> from an illusion. And as is always those that can see past the illusion will
> look at those that are in a dream world as asleep in that particular area.
> Those that are asleep dont know they are. those that are awake can see the
> sleepers sleeping.
>
> V
>
>
> >Hi Win.
>; > I agree with your proposal. Unfortunately all the debate has
> >shown so far is that there is too much irrational thinking on both
>; >sides of the fence. True, I could be accused of being irrational but
> >I tend to call it passionate because I am living in an area that is
> >already suffering climate change. I have lived in the same area for
> >all my life and I can see how the patterns have change from my
> >childhood days to now, in geological terms a short space of 50
> >years. So unless I can see overwhelming evidence that my senses are
> >lying to me than I will remain convinced that climate change is very real
> and happening now.
>; > Regards,
> > Con
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