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Re: Re: Underwater swimming failed...why?
country flaguser name
United States
2007-05-11 15:55:56

Have you ever yourself tried to get any support whatsoever for performing
studies of anything that improves human intelligence and performance? Check with
anyone who has made that effort, as I have, see what you find there.

Anything less than what I have stated on behalf of these effects - including
the very checkable points I offered you concerning the Physician's Desk
Reference manual, asking any physician on the points indicated, or - shock and
horror and amazement at the very idea, a FIRST-HAND test-for-yourself of the
psychological effects of breathing-span by running up an aerobic oxygen debt and
then trying to focus on anything involving sustained close attention, not only
reading - anything less than what I have stated, would never have come to your
attention nor the attention of just about anyone else. I am left with the
options of saying nothing and depriving people at large of this resource and what
I consider to be their birthright, or publishing what I can together with what
you apparently consider to be that bane of good science, methods for
first-hand experience and testing. Sorry, I don't buy your criticism on this matter.
...win

In a message dated 5/11/2007 8:48:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
midwaycobra%40yahoo.com">midwaycobrayahoo.com writes:

> --- In imagestream%40yahoogroups.com">imagestreamyahoogroups.com, wwenger101... wrote:
> >
>; (...) the above should give you something
> >to go on, anyone who is serious enough on the topic to investigate.
> ...win
>
> By your own words, you have never been serious enough to provide
> decent information supporting your claims about the underwater
> swimming(and what more?).
>
> Although you give no proper reference, I don't disbelieve that carbon
> dioxide expands the cartoids, but that is far from enough to ratify
> your claims.
>
> You can present the underwater swimming as an experiment, but you
> cannot support claims of profound and permanent effects.
>
>

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Permanently improved breathing- and attention span?
country flaguser name
United States
2007-05-11 18:45:57

READ ON! EXPERIMENT BELOW.

> Thanks for responding.
It is true, I wouldn't have considered such a thing as held breath
underwater swimming if it hadn't been for you, so thank you for that.
I don't understand the permanent expansion of the cartoids thing. Why
three weeks? I have not access to the american PDR manual. Did you
get your information from this manual alone? Does the manual suggest
that the cartoids are permanently expanded after some weeks? What
about the mammalian diving response? I take it from you response that
you are not interested in digging up information from the internet,
that can be added to your internet article.

I will introduce a simple concept called a breathing cycle, which is
the time from you start an in-breath, till the next time you start an
in-breath.

You can all test your breathing cycle. Try not to 'cheat', as you may
start breathing slower upon focusing on the breathing.

Sitting and relaxed, I have a breathing cycle of 4 seconds. I'm a
slow reader(using this as a measure of attention span) with average
comprehension. After running fast and getting a breathing cycle of
1,5 seconds I had very poor comprehension when trying to read a
biography, forgetting what I had just read.

I got three other persons to test their breathing cycle. Their
breathing cycles were:
3 seconds - slow reader, average comprehension
5,5 seconds - pregnant woman, slow reader
6-7 seconds - poor reader (tested a few times)

(For fun I also tested a cat, which had a 2,4 second breathing cycle,
sitting up-right, looking out the window. When something caught his
attention and he was staring intensly, he had a very slow in-breath or
maybe he was holding his breath.)

This just to collect some data on the breathing span of folks that has
not done the underwater swimming. Well, I did it for three weeks,
with 20 minutes total time under water every day, but I don't think my
breathing span changed because of that.

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TO THOSE READING THIS, CAN YOU TEST YOUR OWN BREATHING CYCLE AND PLACE
YOURSELF IN ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES:
- never done the held-breath underwater swimming
- been there, done that (and how long time ago?!)

!Be aware that you may breathe unnaturally slow upon testing your
breathing cycle.

Nice if you can also include your experienced attention span in
attention-demanding situations.
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--- In imagestream%40yahoogroups.com">imagestreamyahoogroups.com, wwenger101... wrote:
>
> Have you ever yourself tried to get any support whatsoever for
performing
> studies of anything that improves human intelligence and
performance? Check with
> anyone who has made that effort, as I have, see what you find there.
>
> Anything less than what I have stated on behalf of these effects -
including
> the very checkable points I offered you concerning the Physician's Desk
> Reference manual, asking any physician on the points indicated, or -
shock and
> horror and amazement at the very idea, a FIRST-HAND
test-for-yourself of the
> psychological effects of breathing-span by running up an aerobic
oxygen debt and
> then trying to focus on anything involving sustained close
attention, not only
> reading - anything less than what I have stated, would never have
come to your
> attention nor the attention of just about anyone else. I am left
with the
> options of saying nothing and depriving people at large of this
resource and what
> I consider to be their birthright, or publishing what I can together
with what
> you apparently consider to be that bane of good science, methods for
> first-hand experience and testing. Sorry, I don't buy your criticism
on this matter.
> ...win

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Re: Underwater swimming failed...why?
country flaguser name
United States
2007-05-17 12:28:02

hi,

having read through this thread, most of it anyway, i'm a bit
concerned that my efforts might be in vein. i started the three-week
programme two days ago and i'm wondering if i'm diving deep enough.

the shallow end is about 5.25 feet deep and it gradually deepens to
about 13 feet. i can swim the length of the pool underwater and i try
to go deeper where i can. is 5.5 sufficient to elicit the 'diving
response'?

i understand that it may be due to changes in temperature also. should
i stay in the deep end and try and stay in the colder water at that
depth? the difficulty is that it hurts my ears because i have to come
up quickly and i'm not allowed to wear diving masks either so i can't
equalize the pressure in the goggles on my face.

can those who have successfully completed the three-week programme
with good results let me know how deep they were diving, for how long
their sessions were, and if they noticed changes in temperature?
thanks for any help here!

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