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Re: THE KEY TO SUCCESS in held-breath underwater swimming?
country flaguser name
United States
2007-05-20 16:17:06

i do speak from first enthusiasm and i made that quite clear. i
basically said that i was already feeling very positive effects from
only three days of practice. i understand that it's difficult to prove
the physiological effects of held-breath underwater swimming but it
does make logical sense.

it makes sense to me that a greatly increased breath span will allow
for a marked intelligence increase, ten IQ points perhaps, over a
period of time if your breath span is maintained and you make your
brain work. of course you will not sustain your breath span without
aerobic activity - i don't think win ever claimed that you would; in
fact i recall him explicitly stating that he has a fairly conventional
breath span now but still enjoys the benefits that an increased lung
capacity afforded him. i have every intention of practicing
held-breath underwater swimming at least two or three times a week
indefinitely after the intensive three-week period to maintain my
breath span.

the cartoroids may or may not remain enlarged - that's for a formal
study to determine and therefore i don't think it's logical for my
purpose to dispute this all day long. as win has said the permanent
benefits could be due to other factors such as the intensive period of
circulatory enrichment in the brain.

have YOU done the programme? you asked if it made sense to me that the
breathing span should BECOME longer; didn't your breathing span become
longer? mine has, in four days i've gone from 21 seconds to one minute
and 28 seconds underwater. my experience is not illogical nor am i
imagining the effects.

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Re: THE KEY TO SUCCESS in held-breath underwater swimming?
country flaguser name
United States
2007-05-25 20:29:01

I did the swimming with a friend, but only 15-20 minutes total time
under water per day (the water was cold from the start and we managed
to stay only half an hour in the pool before freezing), so I don't
think my feedback counts.

An effect from the swimming should be an increased attention span due
to an increased breathing span or breath holding in
attention-demanding situations. You can test this by breathing fast
when reading something, and see if it doesn't distort your
concentration. Something I did not consider, was to test the length
of my breathing cycle before and after the program, or better yet -
having someone test it while I'm not aware of it, to avoid affecting
my breathing upon being conscious of it.

I wonder if you would not lose most or all of the added length of your
breathing cycle already a couple months after the program. I have no
data on this (no veterans of the program have reported the length of
their breathing cycle).

When you do the swimming program, you may feel dizzy when getting up
fast, which to me suggests that the Cartoids are expanded. When I am
3 meter under the water surface, I also feel that there is more blood
flowing through my head, but maybe this is imagined. Win Wenger,
inventor of the program, assumes that the Cartoids _remain_ expanded,
but doesn't have information supporting his assumption. Yet, he
writes in his article about underwater swimming:

". . . . . If carbon dioxide levels are made quite high quite often
over a period of several weeks, the Carotids don't keep on closing
back up. They stretch and accommo-date to become permanently broader,
supply forever not only more oxygen to the brain but more nutrition
and food energy and, most important, more cleansing away of toxins and
fatigue poisons. That is why we strongly recommend the hour per day,
three-week intensive period of underwater swimming."

So, forever and ever. I don't think it makes sense, and maybe in 3
decades Win Wenger could have found some research backing up his
claim, assuming it is true. Find some decent information, refer to it
in the article.

When I read the article in 2001, I thought "Wow, this will make me
much more intelligent!" For a long time I felt bad about not having
done the underwater swimming properly, and I felt bad about not being
able to do it. It didn't even occur to me that the claims could be
wrong. I'd like people reading the article to be compelled to do the
underwater program because of facts, and not powers of suggestion.

>From my perspective, I don't know if this thing works. Maybe it is a
great program. I do not know. If an ideal opportunity arises in the
next few years, I'll do three-four weeks for the experience alone,
testing myself before and after. Not too long untill we change
through different ways, though..

--- In imagestream%40yahoogroups.com">imagestreamyahoogroups.com, "imagestreamer"
<imagestreamer...> wrote:
&gt;
> i do speak from first enthusiasm and i made that quite clear. i
> basically said that i was already feeling very positive effects from
>; only three days of practice. i understand that it's difficult to prove
&gt; the physiological effects of held-breath underwater swimming but it
> does make logical sense.
&gt;
> it makes sense to me that a greatly increased breath span will allow
&gt; for a marked intelligence increase, ten IQ points perhaps, over a
> period of time if your breath span is maintained and you make your
>; brain work. of course you will not sustain your breath span without
> aerobic activity - i don't think win ever claimed that you would; in
> fact i recall him explicitly stating that he has a fairly conventional
> breath span now but still enjoys the benefits that an increased lung
>; capacity afforded him. i have every intention of practicing
> held-breath underwater swimming at least two or three times a week
>; indefinitely after the intensive three-week period to maintain my
> breath span.
&gt;
> the cartoroids may or may not remain enlarged - that's for a formal
&gt; study to determine and therefore i don't think it's logical for my
> purpose to dispute this all day long. as win has said the permanent
> benefits could be due to other factors such as the intensive period of
> circulatory enrichment in the brain.
&gt;
> have YOU done the programme? you asked if it made sense to me that the
> breathing span should BECOME longer; didn't your breathing span become
&gt; longer? mine has, in four days i've gone from 21 seconds to one minute
&gt; and 28 seconds underwater. my experience is not illogical nor am i
> imagining the effects.
>

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Re: THE KEY TO SUCCESS in held-breath underwater swimming?
country flaguser name
United States
2007-05-28 11:19:23

--- In imagestream%40yahoogroups.com">imagestreamyahoogroups.com, "imagestreamer&quot;
<imagestreamer...> wrote:
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> have YOU done the programme? you asked if it made sense to me that the
> breathing span should BECOME longer; didn't your breathing span become
&gt; longer? mine has, in four days i've gone from 21 seconds to one minute
&gt; and 28 seconds underwater. my experience is not illogical nor am i
> imagining the effects.

Hi imagestreamer and everybody,

my name is Michele and I came across Win' site only recently. I've
tried my first image streaming sessions as learned from the free
texts, and decided to buy some of Dr. Wenger's books to explore
further. I must say that, even if I haven't been constantly engaged,
the image sreaming process brings at least a sensation of "being
tuned&quot; and, at least to me, works by uncovering buried memories,
things that happened and I totally forgot which come to my awareness
while image streaming.It is too soon to draw conclusions but the first
impact is very interesting.
I'll be back to my native island in a couple of days and I'm going to
try the "heald breath&quot; program...I don't know whether it will improve
my attention capabilities but I think it is worth trying.
What I had problems with was Dr. Wenger's affirmation that 3 mins
under water is an average result. Being born in an island, in close
contact with the sea, this figure sounded to me quite "oversized".
If spent while SWIMMING, three minutes is a very long time. Very long.
The reports I've read speak of 1-1.5 min, which is far more reasonable
but still a very good result.
Since your progress has been quite fast, imagestreamer, I wanted to
ask you in which conditions are you training, for instance if you tend
to stay at the bottom of the pool without moving (just the necessary
to stay under), or you swim constantly through the pool.

Thanks for your answers,

Michele

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