Re: Re: THE KEY TO SUCCESS in held-breath underwater swimming?

Well, I did it for three months. The first month was experimental, as I tried doing the program without any mental challenges. The result was having too many thoughts at once and I started to loose focus. So I really advise that you start, i.e. reading more, or writing, or learn a new language...etc. Anything to keep your mind busy with.

I didn't quite understand what you meant by ''values'' but if you mean benefits, then:
- no swimming and staying still will give you a longer breathing span, which is necessary for having more thinking time (your thinking stops during exhale-inhale time).

- Swimming will give you the benefit of faster CO2 build up in the body and faster flow of oxygen to the brain, and may be raising more pressure for the carotids expansion.

If ''values'' mean personal values afterwards, nothing changed, just became more concious of myself and other people.

Take care

manchees2000 < manchees2000%40yahoo.com">manchees2000yahoo.com> wrote:
Thank you Tariq,

I'd be interested also in the "values" before and after training, of
both situations (that is, no movement and swimming). Did you practice
the whole program? Have you recorded your performances?
I wanted also measure the diameter of carotids, but apparently one has
to use an eco-doppler machine and it is an expensive exam...

M

--- In imagestream%40yahoogroups.com">imagestreamyahoogroups.com, tariq rabadi <trabadi75...> wrote:
&gt;
> Do both.
&gt;
> - Longer periods of held breath are meant for the staying still
and from that you enjoy the extended breath span.
&gt;
> - Swimming under water will give you the advantage of hightening
the CO2 level faster and as a result, increasing the oxygen and blood
circulation in the brain at a faster rate. Nevertheless, know your
limits and go easy at first.
&gt;
> Best of luck, and enjoy the island.
>
> manchees2000 <manchees2000...> wrote:
&gt; --- In imagestream%40yahoogroups.com">imagestreamyahoogroups.com, "imagestreamer&quot;
> <imagestreamer> wrote:
&gt; >
>; > [cut]
&gt;
> > have YOU done the programme? you asked if it made sense to me that the
> > breathing span should BECOME longer; didn't your breathing span become
&gt; > longer? mine has, in four days i've gone from 21 seconds to one minute
&gt; > and 28 seconds underwater. my experience is not illogical nor am i
> > imagining the effects.
>
> Hi imagestreamer and everybody,
>
> my name is Michele and I came across Win' site only recently. I've
>; tried my first image streaming sessions as learned from the free
>; texts, and decided to buy some of Dr. Wenger's books to explore
> further. I must say that, even if I haven't been constantly engaged,
> the image sreaming process brings at least a sensation of "being
> tuned"; and, at least to me, works by uncovering buried memories,
> things that happened and I totally forgot which come to my awareness
> while image streaming.It is too soon to draw conclusions but the first
&gt; impact is very interesting.
> I'll be back to my native island in a couple of days and I'm going to
> try the "heald breath&quot; program...I don't know whether it will improve
> my attention capabilities but I think it is worth trying.
> What I had problems with was Dr. Wenger's affirmation that 3 mins
>; under water is an average result. Being born in an island, in close
&gt; contact with the sea, this figure sounded to me quite "oversized".
> If spent while SWIMMING, three minutes is a very long time. Very long.
&gt; The reports I've read speak of 1-1.5 min, which is far more reasonable
> but still a very good result.
> Since your progress has been quite fast, imagestreamer, I wanted to
> ask you in which conditions are you training, for instance if you tend
>; to stay at the bottom of the pool without moving (just the necessary
> to stay under), or you swim constantly through the pool.
&gt;
> Thanks for your answers,
>
> Michele
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Sorry for the confusion Tariq,

by "values" I meant the numbers That is, for instance:
breathing span day zero: 23 sec still, 15 swimming
breathing span day XX: 2min still, 1m30s swimming
something like this
What interests me now is only to see what average values (breathing
span time) come from people who actually did the training, and under
which conditions.

Thank you,

Michele

--- In imagestream%40yahoogroups.com">imagestreamyahoogroups.com, tariq rabadi <trabadi75...> wrote:
&gt;
> Well, I did it for three months. The first month was experimental,
as I tried doing the program without any mental challenges. The result
was having too many thoughts at once and I started to loose focus. So
I really advise that you start, i.e. reading more, or writing, or
learn a new language...etc. Anything to keep your mind busy with.
&gt;
> I didn't quite understand what you meant by ''values'' but if you
mean benefits, then:
&gt; - no swimming and staying still will give you a longer breathing
span, which is necessary for having more thinking time (your thinking
stops during exhale-inhale time).
>
> - Swimming will give you the benefit of faster CO2 build up in the
body and faster flow of oxygen to the brain, and may be raising more
pressure for the carotids expansion.
>
> If ''values'' mean personal values afterwards, nothing changed,
just became more concious of myself and other people.
>
> Take care
>;
> manchees2000 <manchees2000...> wrote:
&gt; Thank you Tariq,
&gt;
> I'd be interested also in the "values" before and after training, of
> both situations (that is, no movement and swimming). Did you practice
> the whole program? Have you recorded your performances?
> I wanted also measure the diameter of carotids, but apparently one has
> to use an eco-doppler machine and it is an expensive exam...
>
> M
>
> --- In imagestream%40yahoogroups.com">imagestreamyahoogroups.com, tariq rabadi <trabadi75> wrote:
&gt; >
>; > Do both.
&gt; >
> > - Longer periods of held breath are meant for the staying still
&gt; and from that you enjoy the extended breath span.
&gt; >
> > - Swimming under water will give you the advantage of hightening
> the CO2 level faster and as a result, increasing the oxygen and blood
&gt; circulation in the brain at a faster rate. Nevertheless, know your
>; limits and go easy at first.
&gt; >
> > Best of luck, and enjoy the island.
> >
> > manchees2000 <manchees2000> wrote:
&gt; > --- In imagestream%40yahoogroups.com">imagestreamyahoogroups.com, "imagestreamer&quot;
> > <imagestreamer> wrote:
&gt; > >
>; > > [cut]
&gt; >
> > > have YOU done the programme? you asked if it made sense to me
that the
> > > breathing span should BECOME longer; didn't your breathing span
become
> > > longer? mine has, in four days i've gone from 21 seconds to one
minute
> > > and 28 seconds underwater. my experience is not illogical nor am i
> > > imagining the effects.
> >
> > Hi imagestreamer and everybody,
> >
> > my name is Michele and I came across Win' site only recently. I've
>; > tried my first image streaming sessions as learned from the free
>; > texts, and decided to buy some of Dr. Wenger's books to explore
> > further. I must say that, even if I haven't been constantly engaged,
> > the image sreaming process brings at least a sensation of "being
> > tuned"; and, at least to me, works by uncovering buried memories,
> > things that happened and I totally forgot which come to my awareness
> > while image streaming.It is too soon to draw conclusions but the first
&gt; > impact is very interesting.
> > I'll be back to my native island in a couple of days and I'm going to
> > try the "heald breath&quot; program...I don't know whether it will improve
> > my attention capabilities but I think it is worth trying.
> > What I had problems with was Dr. Wenger's affirmation that 3 mins
>; > under water is an average result. Being born in an island, in close
&gt; > contact with the sea, this figure sounded to me quite "oversized".
> > If spent while SWIMMING, three minutes is a very long time. Very long.
&gt; > The reports I've read speak of 1-1.5 min, which is far more reasonable
> > but still a very good result.
> > Since your progress has been quite fast, imagestreamer, I wanted to
> > ask you in which conditions are you training, for instance if you tend
>; > to stay at the bottom of the pool without moving (just the necessary
> > to stay under), or you swim constantly through the pool.
&gt; >
> > Thanks for your answers,
> >
> > Michele
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>;
>
>
>
>
>
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