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Re: On the illusions of Self and Free Will
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United States
2007-06-14 00:55:07

So midwaycobra, do you suffer?

Just curious if this is all just being clever.

Jill

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Re: On the illusions of Self and Free Will
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United States
2007-06-14 11:40:59

Hi Jill,

Attempting to answer in the mode of the previous message:
Perceive (feel) mostly well-being right now, defining right now as the
perception (memory) of a few seconds (perception of seconds), and
perceive (think) this is a very accurate perception (model) of the
amount of this type of perception (pleasure). But perceive (assume)
that not one day (perception of days) has gone by without more or less
having perceived (felt) the type of perception mentioned (suffering).
And perceive (believe) that all, or nearly all, confined and similar
I's beyond I (complex model) are also perceiving (feeling) those
perceptions (suffering) every day (perception of a day), more or less.

Now in I-mode:
I wrote the message because I felt like it, a mixture of distraction
and the pleasure of removing the annoyance of intuiting something
un-expressed. ..if that's what you're asking!

Some more rambling, now in I-mode:
I realize that _all_ perceptions aren't contemplated. I have the idea
of a limited, and constantly changing I (all perceived "in the eternal
now"), but perceiving the phenomena of perception is not
noticing/grasping/understanding "all there is". Like when someone
wants to learn Image-Streaming, they may think they can't visualize,
but there is a reinforceable visualization going on that they are not
contemplating. So when I speak of "all my perceptions", the "changing
I", I don't fully understand it - this is easier to understand when
remembering that the flow or change of perceptions are not perceived
BY anyone, but rather just existing. You can't grasp all of the
flow/change/I, for one reason because you aren't noticing all that you
are noticing, for another reason because the grasping is "made of"
additional perceptions.

We can abstract the logic of reality, and if our models are correct,
we can predict the future. I don't have much understanding of quantum
mechanics or zen buddhism, but my take on the falling tree in the
forest is that there is a tree falling to the ground, making sound and
smell, just that it is not a tree or ground, and no sound or smell, no
colour, feelings, sound, smell, nothing we know of, just some
beyond-us foundation for our perception taking place. I am confident
that there is a brain with much of the responsibility for our
perceptions, but it is not called anything, doesn't look like
anything, etc., and we may only have abstracted 10% of the logics of
what this thing, but not a thing, that we perceive, but not perceive,
is. I strongly disagree that our perceptions create Reality (although
it is a potent part of Reality), but fully agree that our perceptions
"create" all the reality we know of, in the sense that perceptions IS
all we know of.

Hmm...but you could say we do perceive Reality, as our perceptions
obviously exist, and everything ultimately existing is Reality. Bah!
Back to the sketching board, as someone use to say.

--- In imagestream%40yahoogroups.com">imagestreamyahoogroups.com, "Jill" <datjat1...> wrote:
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> So midwaycobra, do you suffer?
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> Just curious if this is all just being clever.
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> Jill
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