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--- In imagestream%40yahoogroups.com">imagestreamyahoogroups.com, alphamarsh1... wrote:
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> what do you think though?
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I assume you're asking it to me. Well, the way I think is more or less
contained in the discussion above. Just to summarize:

1) I don't think that speculating this way about "ontological"
problems would bring us very far. The reason - already outlined - is
that discussion uses Logic as the "best mean" to investigate truth.
However, Logic itself has severe limits and CANNOT possibly be used to
investigate an ABSOLUTE TRUTH, because it always draws from axioms,
which are arbitrary and there's no way to prove, by logic, that the
chosen axiom set is "more valid"; than another.

2) Using logic, however, is a very useful exercise because in other
realms, where we are not concerned about absolutes, it allows us to
draw useful conclusions. That is, results we can use in our everyday life.

3) As I'm not an exception, I have my personal set of axioms, that is
truths that appear self evident to me, but which I have no means to
demonstrate. One of these axioms is that whenever a thought exists,
there exists a thinker. How does he/she/it look like? We can't
actually say it. We see only reflexes, that is the thoughts we have on
it. Now that I'm elaborating on that, it comes to me that this line of
reasoning could be assimilated to Plato's philosophy. There is for him
an "ideas world"; (I don't know if the term is right, just translating
on the fly from Italian), containing all the "archetypal forms"; which
is completely separated from the reality we can experience made more
or less of shadows. Again, that's a postulate, explained in the "Cave
Myth".

4) This way of reasoning allows for "development", self discovery,
religion (as the root of the word is "rejoining"...with your "self" or
with "God"), as we're doing nothing else but adding more reflexes. If
I were a source of light, it could only sense the light through
reflections from some surface...Shall I think I am light, or a source
of light? I prefer the second, that's it. Life, on every scale, is the
way "somebody" chose (or maybe there's no alternative?) to experience
itself.

M

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--- In imagestream%40yahoogroups.com">imagestreamyahoogroups.com, "manchees2000&quot; <manchees2000...>
wrote:
&quot;...I have my personal set of axioms, that is truths that appear self
evident to me, but which I have no means to demonstrate. One of these
axioms is that whenever a thought exists, there exists a thinker. How
does he/she/it look like? We can't actually say it. We see only
reflexes, that is the thoughts we have on it."

Hello italian stallion, my apologies for the name calling.
I'm not giving up just yet:

I also experience the belief that there is a "thinker", which I think
is that we model as the brain and more.

You believe, which is the core of our discussion, that "I&quot; is "the
thinker&quot;. But "I&quot; is thoughts. This is a solipsism reality where
there is only thoughts.

Thoughts are not what it is modeling. Thoughts are thoughts.

The very idea of there being a thinker is an idea! Idea = idea.
It is crystal clear. The idea of being someone is an idea! The idea
that "there exists a thinker which is me" is an idea!

All that happens in this solipsism reality is thoughts. Say the
thinker is the Brain -- but in our solipsism reality there is only
thoughts of a brain! There is no brain! We think there is a Brain,
but in our solipsism reality there is only THOUHTS of a brain!

So how can "I&quot; be Brain? It can't! There is no BEING THE BRAIN in
our solipsism reality consisting of only thoughts!
So...there...is...no...thinker.

(-_-)

To me, you're like a religionist that will never disbelieve religion.
You're not truly contemplating what I write. You think you have
contemplated what I'm saying, and then you jerk off a reply, totally
missing out. Your old belief it the default belief when we are
growing up...no, the default belief of over 6 billion humans. Not
everyone gets a chance to contemplate and understand this truth being
shared here. You sir, are very close, yet so far from moving to a
next level of perception on this matter. You're a pattern that is
resistant to this truth.

Stop being so annoying, and allow the perception of acknowledging the
truth to appear.