If I'm anti-nihilist? I can both support and ridicule it.
But for what reason is nihilism important, Data?
Why should I be thinking of nihilism?
Just forget about it...pshh...
What is important in life?
Well, to accomplish anything, you must at least be present to do so.
Soon we will have not just nuclear and biochemical weapons, but
nano-technology that can do amazing damage. Through technology, we
are accumulating more and more energy, and it's not certain that we
will channel that energy positively. Boom.
How are we going to preserve the infrastructure needed to continue our
technological advancement?
My answer is we need a more powerful United Nations, that can stop
governmental terrorism like that of the U.S.A., and work towards
disarming everyone of weapons of mass destruction.
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yahoogroups.com, ASESH DATTA <datta_asesh...> wrote:
>
> Doc.
>; I appreciate your thoughts and I agree your sentiments of
anti-religion posture. However, that is also a way of thinking.
> I hope you heard Thomas Kuhn and his famous 'scientific revolution'
evolution. Basically, we all scientist (if we feel so) are having a
already conceived notion of 'truth' based on the scientific
breakthroughs we already have. Our efforts are primary to establish
the existing science through our applications and research.That is the
progress of mankind, as we continuously make practical applications of
the science which we already know. But there may be some unsolved
puzzles. But research sets those aside for future generations. Each of
these postures are a PARADIGM.
> Now a breakthrough in scientific revolution takes place
sporadically, accidentally, without much anticipation. But once that
Paradigm war is ended, the new concepts takes over and the old ones
gets modified or gets into pages of past. This shift in Paradigm comes
through questioning the standards, rational, religion and may be host
other reasons.
> Definitely the pioneers of such revolution are always humiliated,
unaccepted and singled (may be collective cult) by society, but
subsequent scientific research re-establishes that new concepts deeper
and firmly and a new era begins and along with that a series of new
developments.
> Are you still anti to 'NIHILISM' the concept which I meant?
> Regards
> Asesh
>
> "Dr. Gideon Quinn"; <midwaycobra...> wrote:
Asesh..
>
> "Nihilism (...) argues that existence is without objective meaning,
> purpose, or intrinsic value."
>
> That's more of an anti-christian position, than a helpful or
> perceptive one.
>;
> Know that meaning, purpose and value are IDEAS. My existence is a
> stream of appearing thoughts. I do not constantly reinforce ideas of
> meaning, purpose or value, thus most of the time my experience is
> "without" meaning, purpose and value.
>
> Subjectiveness and objectiveness are both creative ideas, as well. We
> assume the existence of others, and find objective purpose in
> survival, objective meaning in learning and developing, and
> (objective?) intrinsic value in utilitarianism. After all, feeling
> good is not the absence of feeling good, or suffering.
>
> "Objective morality does not exist; therefore no action is
> logically preferable to any other."
>
> Objective morality exists when thought. No action is logically
> preferable to any other? To prefer something is to choose good over
>; worse, ultimately meaning to choose what feels best. Actions that
>; lead to good feelings are logically preferable.
>
> "In the absence of morality, existence has no higher meaning or goal.";
>
> Morality, meaning and goals are creative. The highest goal would be
> to ensure our survival, or else we don't even have the possibility of
> feeling good.
>
> "There is no reasonable proof or argument for the existence of a
> higher ruler or creator."
>
> Wherever in this universe you grow a human from a tiny water bubble,
> it becomes conscious. When consciousness is so universal, it's
>; plausible that ultimate reality is one of sentience.
>
> Basically, nihilism is a futile 20th century philosophy. Stop
>; spreading dysfunctional perceptions about my existence like that.
>
> m i d w a y _ c o b r a
>
> --- In imagestream%40yahoogroups.com">imagestreamyahoogroups.com, "datta_asesh" <datta_asesh> wrote:
> >
>; > The theory of nothingness is extremely truthful and appropriate.
> > Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical position
> > which argues that existence is without objective meaning, purpose, or
> > intrinsic value. Nihilists generally assert some or all of the
> following:
> >
> > * Objective morality does not exist; therefore no action is
> > logically preferable to any other.
> > * In the absence of morality, existence has no higher meaning or
> goal.
> > * There is no reasonable proof or argument for the existence of a
> > higher ruler or creator.
> > * Even if there exists a higher ruler or creator, mankind has no
> > moral obligation to worship them.
> >
> > A nihilist is a man who judges of the world as it is that it
ought NOT
> > to be, and of the world as it ought to be that it does not exist.
> > According to this view, our existence (action, suffering, willing,
> > feeling) has no meaning: the pathos of 'in vain' is the nihilists'
> > pathos — at the same time, as pathos, an inconsistency on the part of
> > the nihilists.
> >
> > – Friedrich Nietzsche, The Will to Power, section 585
> >
> > This is the root of modernism and future progress.
> > Asesh
>
> > --- In imagestream%40yahoogroups.com">imagestreamyahoogroups.com, "Shawn Phillip Blair";
> > <greatree2378> wrote:
> > >
>; > > Here are a few ideas about that which is false, nothing,
something,
> > > and true.
> > >
> > >
> > > What is true about falseness? Falseness is true about that which
> > > hasn't anything. If something like a trick isn't understood,
you were
> > > misguided to see nothing as something. Consequently, you hadn't
> > > anything but falseness. The person deceiving you had enough of the
> > > truth about that bit of trickery to make something(a
perception) out
> > > of nothing(untruth). What is nothing, anyway? It is a concept
of what
> > > happens when we die. We have nothing in that case. In being
nothing,
> > > we get nothing, because we cannot do anything, at least in case
one
> > > doesn't believe in everlasting life. Nothing is that which is
> > > impossible for all time. The only thing that is actually
impossible
> > > though, is nothing. It is a just a concept and cannot do anything
> > > because it hasn't even itself to do anything with. To have
anything,
> > > first one has to be. To be is to have oneself. And to have
oneself,
> > > one must do upon oneself. So the act of doing upon oneself is what
> > > qualifies one as being. To be, is to exist. So what does the
> > > inanimate have to do with it? It only exist secondarily to
> > > consciousness because it can only have an effect when there is
> > > someone to perceive itself as having a perception of that effect.
> > > Matter doesn't have that perception. Matter isn't matter alone,
but
> > > only with a mind. Space doesn't have consciousness by default.
It is
> > > just space. Space doesn't create matter by default, and
particles are
> > > a requirement for space to endure. So they must have been seperate
> > > decisions. And to make particles move, there must have been the
> > > apparency of energy, which is just movement. And movement is
> > > relative, so there had to be more than one particle to transfer
the
> > > movement. Can't have particles coming from nowhere right. The only
> > > thing that something can come from is something else. And that
> > > something wasn't other particles, because other particles can't
exist
> > > without consciousness to imbue a property called effect for
them to
> > > have as their nature. Any way. Any body have any ideas on this.
> > >
> > >
> > > Shawn
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