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labeling conundrum
user name
2006-02-16 22:23:44
Hi,

An interesting issue has cropped up for me and I'm hoping
to get some
quick finger-to-the-wind feedback. We have been working on a
new
"global navigation bar" or "page
header" for our web-based
product--aka the top 2 inches of the screen where the
primary
navigation links live and are consistently presented
throughout the
site. We have been calling this project the Global
Navigation Bar
Refresh internally. I didn't think I was going to need to
have a
name/label for it externally, so I haven't given it much
thought.
However, it turns out that we have PRINT documentation (and
it $ound$
like there's a lot of it) that has been referring to that
area of the
page as the "toolbar" for years (aka; since the
product was actual
shrink wrapped software & where toolbar probably was the
precisely
right terminology).  Our marketing folks are creating a
flash demo and
in the process of trying to decide what to call this they
stumbled
onto the documentation issue. The documentation people feel
very
strongly that the flash demo needs to call this part of the
page the
"toolbar" to correspond to the documentation.

I'm very reluctant to call this a toolbar as I think that
"toolbar" is
widely recognized as a widget or collection of functions
that can be
added/removed to an application and that enable some kind of
functionality, whereas the navigation bar or menu at the top
of the
screen allows you to move throughout the site. I think the
dominance
of Google & the Google toolbar at this moment in time
further
exacerbates the situation. (Additionally, our competitor has
just
launched a toolbar of their own...)
However, doing some searching and poking around it's clear
that web
designers refer to the collection of links that lets you
move around
the site as navigation bars or navigation menus, but I'm
not really
sure about the average user. I know that in usability tests
I very
rarely hear a user say "navigation"
anything--they usually just point,
call them links or menus. I don't want to make a big stink
and have
the company spend a lot of money printing new documentation
if this is
a non-important issue--i.e., does it really matter if our
documentation calls the top of the screen a toolbar? It's
hard for me
to imagine a scenario in which the users would experience
mass
confusion (and we'd just be talking about users who
actually use
documentation), so it doesn't seem like a big danger.

But the semantically precise part of me is tied up in knots.

What say you?

Samantha



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labeling conundrum
user name
2006-02-16 23:38:03
Samantha Bailey:

> But the semantically precise part of me is tied up in
knots.

> What say you?

Semantically precise part of you is tied up in knots? 

Generally speaking consistency trumps most other concerns,
including
originality.

----
Ziya

"Do first things first, and second things not at
all."


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labeling conundrum
user name
2006-02-17 05:56:14
Samantha,

As long as this "label" doesn't actually get
exposed in the UI, but
only in the docs and flash "demo", is there
really a big risk here? 
If YOU didn't know it was covered in documentation, what's
the
likelihood that users actually use the docs (e.g. I'm
assuming you've
been running U-tests without docs available).  The only
users that
will see the "label" are those that use the docs
and view the demo. 
Also, as long as the docs and demo actually explain clearly
what they
mean when they say "toolbar", the users of the
docs and demo should
understand well enough.  Users who don't use the docs or
demo will
call it something more semantically perfect --- e.g.
"that blue area
up there."  

But if you want to burn some $$ and political capital, you
should
fight for a label test and make them change everything to
the
"perfect" label.  There's likely no real
business return on it, but it
might save a few users a few mental gyrations (this likely
isn't
something that'd spur a support call)...even though
they'll not pay
any more for the product.

The semantically precise part of me yearns for the label
test.  The
pragmatist in me says to look for some bigger fish to fry.

On 2/16/06, Samantha Bailey <samanthabaileysorts.com> wrote:
> But the semantically precise part of me is tied up in
knots.

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labeling conundrum
user name
2006-02-17 11:34:43

>From: Samantha Bailey <samanthabaileysorts.com>

About what to call the main navigation strip of a
website....

>However, doing some searching and poking around it's
clear that web
>designers refer to the collection of links that lets you
move around
>the site as navigation bars or navigation menus, but
I'm not really
>sure about the average user. I know that in usability
tests I very
>rarely hear a user say "navigation"
anything--they usually just point,
>call them links or menus. I don't want to make a big
stink and have
>the company spend a lot of money printing new
documentation if this is
>a non-important issue--i.e., does it really matter if
our
>documentation calls the top of the screen a toolbar?

I don't think there is a standard wording. Why not just use
a diagram and 
use something like 'top menu bar'  or 'top link bar'   -
  describes where 
it is, what it does and what shape it is.

Providing what ever name you feel best (and you have
experience based upon 
your user testing) is somehow indicated rather than
assuming.  So that's my 
suggestion - use pictures.

Stew Dean


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labeling conundrum
user name
2006-02-21 10:42:31
You could always keep the old one and add your new one
=
"global navigation toolbar"

semantic accuracy maintained; no-one has to compromise;
documentation
still correct.



Lou.

On 2/16/06, Samantha Bailey <samanthabaileysorts.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> An interesting issue has cropped up for me and I'm
hoping to get some
> quick finger-to-the-wind feedback. We have been working
on a new
> "global navigation bar" or "page
header" for our web-based
> product--aka the top 2 inches of the screen where the
primary
> navigation links live and are consistently presented
throughout the
> site. We have been calling this project the Global
Navigation Bar
> Refresh internally. I didn't think I was going to need
to have a
> name/label for it externally, so I haven't given it
much thought.
> However, it turns out that we have PRINT documentation
(and it $ound$
> like there's a lot of it) that has been referring to
that area of the
> page as the "toolbar" for years (aka; since
the product was actual
> shrink wrapped software & where toolbar probably
was the precisely
> right terminology).  Our marketing folks are creating a
flash demo and
> in the process of trying to decide what to call this
they stumbled
> onto the documentation issue. The documentation people
feel very
> strongly that the flash demo needs to call this part of
the page the
> "toolbar" to correspond to the
documentation.
>
> I'm very reluctant to call this a toolbar as I think
that "toolbar" is
> widely recognized as a widget or collection of
functions that can be
> added/removed to an application and that enable some
kind of
> functionality, whereas the navigation bar or menu at
the top of the
> screen allows you to move throughout the site. I think
the dominance
> of Google & the Google toolbar at this moment in
time further
> exacerbates the situation. (Additionally, our
competitor has just
> launched a toolbar of their own...)
> However, doing some searching and poking around it's
clear that web
> designers refer to the collection of links that lets
you move around
> the site as navigation bars or navigation menus, but
I'm not really
> sure about the average user. I know that in usability
tests I very
> rarely hear a user say "navigation"
anything--they usually just point,
> call them links or menus. I don't want to make a big
stink and have
> the company spend a lot of money printing new
documentation if this is
> a non-important issue--i.e., does it really matter if
our
> documentation calls the top of the screen a toolbar?
It's hard for me
> to imagine a scenario in which the users would
experience mass
> confusion (and we'd just be talking about users who
actually use
> documentation), so it doesn't seem like a big danger.
>
> But the semantically precise part of me is tied up in
knots.
>
> What say you?
>
> Samantha
>
>
>
> --
> Samantha Bailey | samanthabaileysorts.com | http://baileysorts.com
>
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