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Re: Usability Testing
user name
2007-01-20 11:43:46
>> The biggest issue with testing using an internal
team is the conflict of
>> interest inherent in being in that position.

>If we were to take the notion of "internal =
biased" to its natural
>conclusion, we would have the absurdity of externally
"validating" the

Nowhere in my statement do I use the word biased or make any
inference to
it.

>But, because the usability business targets designers,
we are asked 
>to believe it's necessary to exclusively
"validate" designers...

Evaluating designers?  Wow, that quite an opinion to take or
at least a
parapraxsis (Freudian slip). You think that evaluating a
design is the same
as evaluating the designer  Any designer with their ego that
tied into their
design is precisely why THEY cannot be objective testers.

>, although Sally at marketing or Fred at supply chain
can continue to make
decisions on their
>own, even if their decisions can be as/more significant
than what designers
>do for a product. 

Hardly the same, and ever Fred and Sally have checks and
balances in the
jobs - just different ones.

>> Project rarely (if ever) have time built into the
schedule for
iterations...

>If you're searching for conflict interest, look no
further than that
>statement. The project has no time for iterative design
(fundamentally
>important and necessary) but, miraculously, time *and*
money has to be
>found
>for external validation. This "usability tax"
on project budgets, as framed
>above, is the undeclared bias of that business.

I'm not searching for conflict of interest and there is no
conflict of
interest in the statement.  I suspect you mean there is a
discrepancy in the
statement.   However, that is not the case either.  The
question asked was
one of internal versus external testing so that presupposes
that testing IS
planned for.

> (In one case as part of an internal team, I was told by
my manager to
lower
> the classification of a safely issue to allow a system
to be delivered
based
> on the cost of repair.

>If the manager is so ready to take a legally
questionable/actionable path,
>who's to say any amount of external
"validation" can possibly dissuade him?

I didn't say an external firm would dissuade him (though you
do agree to
that positions - at least in general - later.)  I said that
internal
pressure from a boss is why the problem with an internal
test team unless
they have full management support and protection.  Since
this was a request
from my boss, my job with the company was at risk if I did
not comply.  That
defines the conflict of interest.

> External teams are free (or at least freer) from these
issues, though they
risk
> alienating a client by being the bearer of bad news.

>I hope you're not serious. 

I am absolutely serious.

>I've been consulting for two decades on
>medium-size to multi-million dollar projects for large
companies. Anyone
>who's been doing this for any length of time can easily
observe that
>especially the large-scale consulting factories are
specifically managed to
>maneuver projects towards billable directions where they
(not the client)
>can maximize their revenue. Talk about bias and conflict
of interest!
>Vendors have many uses (like those you cite below) but
to claim that
>somehow
>external usability businesses have inherently less bias
than internal
>designers, without context, is simply untrue.

Thanks for the credentials. I have been consulting for
nearly 3 decades on
medium-size to multi-million dollar projects for large
companies.  I never
said there was not a similar conflict of interest for some
consultancies.
And I do agree its more prevalent with the larger ones.  But
the fact that
they recreate the very conflict I'm talking about is proving
my point, not
yours.

> Three other main benefits of using an outside
consultant include: (1)
> internal people are often more willing to listen to an
outside (paid)
> consultant than an internal person who says the same
thing (its human
> nature), (2) since (proper) testing is an activity that
is not needed all
> the time, it can be more cost effective to hire a
professional team when
> needed than to keep a staff on board full time for the
occasions when they
> would be needed, and (3) seasoned outside consultants
have more expose to
> alternate designs and design domains and can bring new
perspectives into a
> project.

>These are generally true.

Glad we agree (generally) on at least some points.

Bill



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Re: Usability Testing
user name
2007-01-20 13:16:01
Forget "conflict of interest" or questions of
integrity (for a moment).

I can't both design and review my own design.  And while I'd
like to 
believe that I can participate in testing my design, I'd
like to have 
some fresh blood I that process as well.

To me this is not a confession -- It's a statement about the

structural relationship of certain tasks.

It's all about why collaboration is so often part of the
secret of a 
great design.

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Re: Usability Testing
user name
2007-01-20 14:02:02
Bill Killam:

>>> The biggest issue with testing using an
internal team is the conflict of
>>> interest inherent in being in that position.
 
>> If we were to take the notion of "internal =
biased" to its natural
>> conclusion, we would have the absurdity of
externally "validating" the

> Nowhere in my statement do I use the word biased or
make any inference to
> it.

Of course you do. Conflict of interest *is* bias. "Any
designer with their
ego that tied into their design is precisely why THEY cannot
be objective
testers." All you're saying is that they are biased for
their own design
and, by definition, cannot be trusted.

> Hardly the same, and ever Fred and Sally have checks
and balances in the
> jobs - just different ones.

So it's OK for Fred and Sally to have their output judged by
means other
than external validation, but designers must get their
output judged by an
approach you have a personal interest in. As if design
doesn't get judged by
the ultimate validators: users.

>> If you're searching for conflict interest, look no
further than that
>> statement. The project has no time for iterative
design (fundamentally
>> important and necessary) but, miraculously, time
*and* money has to be found
>> for external validation. This "usability
tax" on project budgets, as framed
>> above, is the undeclared bias of that business.
> 
> I'm not searching for conflict of interest and there is
no conflict of
> interest in the statement.  I suspect you mean there is
a discrepancy in the
> statement.   

I mean precisely what I said: you want resources to be
siphoned off from
design to design validation, in money and time. Read back
what you wrote.
 
> But the fact that they recreate the very conflict I'm
talking about is proving
> my point, not yours.

So, after all that mumbo jumbo, you seem to agree that bias
and conflict of
interest can be found internally or externally, but that you
prefer the
external bias.

----
Ziya

Usability >  Simplify the Solution
Design >  Simplify the Problem



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