Re: NextD takes a slash at "Findability, InformationArchitecture"

Christopher Fahey:

> VanPatter's critique that the IA community is hostile
to design, IMHO, has a
> grain of truth...

"grain"? How about a boulder the size of Idaho?


It's extremely difficult to approach this controversy
without getting
personal, because most of the people intertwined in the
story are propelled
by a business model of incessant self-promotion and
land-grabbing: so they
feel compelled to reduce everything to the personal. In the
name of comity
(and the fact that I'm about to go out for my daily run so I
need to be calm
 I'll
mercifully refrain from rehashing what's in the archives for
all to
see.

However, I think history won't be kind to the LIS faction of
IA that tried
to steer it away from the holistic process of Design to a
pseudo-scientific
orthodoxy, rendering IAs as operational apparatchiks
drowning in a sea of
academic babble and deliverables. I suspect Dante has
already reserved a
reception area for those involved. 

----
Ziya

In design, interaction is the last resort.



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On 4/12/07, Ziya Oz <listeraearthlink.net> wrote:
> However, I think history won't be kind to the LIS
faction of IA that tried
> to steer it away from the holistic process of Design to
a pseudo-scientific
> orthodoxy, rendering IAs as operational apparatchiks
drowning in a sea of
> academic babble and deliverables. I suspect Dante has
already reserved a
> reception area for those involved. 

So we can take it that you are not a member of the LIS
School Fan Club? 

I think that history will record that they contributed to
the Science
of IA just as the "it's the Design, daahling"
latte and turtleneck
faction have contributed to the Art of IA. I think we
needed, and we
still need, both. If nothing else the vigour of the debate
is a good
sign that we do think about what we do. It would be nice
sometimes if
it could be done with a little less cattiness from both
sides, but
hey, you get that 

So, a question... is "deliverable culture" the
sole province of the
people with LIS backgrounds?

And another: if there is a "LIS faction" and
"Design faction" in IA,
what are the defining characteristics of both? Is it
something that we
could run a questionnaire on and gather some numbers?

Cheers, Andrew
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Don't make meaningless generalizations, quote from the
archives if you 
must.

        Richard

> It's extremely difficult to approach this controversy
without getting
> personal, because most of the people intertwined in the
story are 
propelled
> by a business model of incessant self-promotion and
land-grabbing: so 
they
> feel compelled to reduce everything to the personal. In
the name of 
comity
> (and the fact that I'm about to go out for my daily run
so I need to be 
calm
> 
I'll mercifully refrain from rehashing what's in the
archives for 
all to
> see.


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