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Thread: (ISF) Re: Online social networking and knowledge management for nonprofits: How about a mash-up?
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| (ISF) Re: Online social networking and
knowledge management for nonprofits: How
about a mash-up? |
  United States |
2007-02-12 10:29:38 |
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>>Good call on Rollyo, and I believe Google Co-op Search can do the
same thing as well.>>
Dear Kevin, Michael, and other esteemed colleagues:
But will Rollyo, Google Co-op, or Yahoo Pipes be able to deliver a
really intelligent search? Remember, I want it to bridge social
networking and knowledge management. I want to be able to enter a few
keywords, and have the tool tell me who is using various nptech tools
and who is working on the same substantive issues as I am. I want a
nice intuitive interface that will give me a map of where to go to
bring my resources and needs together.
Is this an impossible dream?
Many thanks and best regards from Deborah
Deborah Elizabeth Finn
Boston, Massachusetts, USA
deborah_elizabeth_finn%40post.harvard.edu">deborah_elizabeth_finn post.harvard.edu
www.cyber-yenta.org
"What is good...but to do justice, to love mercy, and to walk humbly
with your god?" (Micah 6:8)
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| (ISF) Re: Online social networking and
knowledge management for nonprofits: How
about a mash-up? |
  United States |
2007-02-14 18:49:22 |
Deborah,
Not an impossible dream at all; I think this is the
direction the web is moving. Web 2.0 signified interaction
as opposed to top-down information flows, so now we have
channels instead of streams. Web 3.0 will involve those
information flows forming webs instead of channels, where
information can flow freely between websites, applications,
users, and devices. This means lateral information flows
(website to website) as well as vertical flows (website to
user, or application to website).
This is the force behind Open ID and the various initiatives
to develop open APIs. Some sites, like Facebook, are working
to implement this; others are lagging behind. Unfortunately,
it'll take a revolution in website applications development
(and the business models that drive that development) for
this to become reality.
We can get part of the way there with intelligent searching,
but for this to achieve its full potential, I should be able
to use my blog to display the MySpace friends who organize
around a particular topic along with the LinkedIn colleagues
who may be able to inform that topic and the Hi5 group that
may be best served by the resulting project, and link / mash
/ lump / something them all together on a Google Map,
without touching a line of code.
We don't have that ability to connect, simply because the
sites involved work on the basis of controlling information,
and the idea of sharing information with
"competition" is antithetical to their current
business models.
Open source will blow them away, but it's taking a while
Dave.
Dave A. Chakrabarti
Director of Programs
Grassroots.org
-----original message-----
>>But will Rollyo, Google Co-op, or Yahoo Pipes be
able to deliver a really intelligent search? Remember, I
want it to bridge social networking and knowledge
management. I want to be able to enter a few keywords, and
have the tool tell me who is using various nptech tools and
who is working on the same substantive issues as I am. I
want a nice intuitive interface that will give me a map of
where to go to bring my resources and needs together. Is
this an impossible dream?>>
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| (ISF) Web based applications - Forward
into the past |
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2007-02-15 14:44:24 |
Back in the good old days when I started programing there
were mainframes and not much else. Various workstations
(dumb terminals) connected to the mainframe and we all used
"shared" applications on the big computer. Then
came PCs and we got to have our own computer to "do
with what we wanted" and not simply what the mainframe
offered. Not just what the mainframe admin allowed.
While it is still mostly vaporware, there is a move to
re-attach us to the mainframe by way of the internet and web
based applications. While the web is a good platform for web
pages and information I have to wonder is it is a great
advantage for most programs and processes.
>From the application providers POV it is a win, they get
to collect monthly dues from every user vs selling them a
piece of software and using it as long as it is useful for
the price.
So my question is, are we on the verge of trading in our
paid for BMW for a leased van?
Clif
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| (ISF) Re: Web based applications -
Forward into the past |
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2007-02-15 21:03:19 |
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This is a commonplace observation that, stripped of context, sounds a lot more profound than it does in the light of computing history. While it is basically true that early computing was centralized, with extremely thin clients; then the users revolted with the advent of personal computers; and now we're all flocking back to server models, two significant things have changed:
1. The servers are all connected to eachother, making a huge, global information store, rather than a limited island of information available.
2. Personalization is here. We are not all logging on to a generic interface - we're logging on to portals that know who we are and show us (mostly) what we want to see.
So, rather than reverting to the mainframe model, we are now experiencing personalized, shared computing on a multi-dimensioned array of servers. it's a huge evolution that offers the benefits of shared platforms without sacrificing the individual preferences that PC's enabled.
You have to put it in perspective. BTW, Cliff, I'm an old-timer like you - I learned BASIC on one of those dumb terminals in the early 80's. 
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-----original message-----
>> While it is still mostly vaporware, there is a move to re-attach us to the mainframe by way of the internet and web based applications. While the web is a good platform for web pages and information I have to wonder is it is a great advantage for most programs and processes. From the application providers POV it is a win, they get to collect monthly dues from every user vs selling them a piece of software and using it as long as it is useful for the price.>>
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