RE: Copyright, Privacy, Confidentiality Statements on Submissions to the IETF

Russ,

See Section 3.2 of RFC 3978, last sentence:
 
"Each Contributor agrees that any statement in a
Contribution, whether
   generated automatically or otherwise, that states or
implies that the
   Contribution is confidential or subject to any privilege,
can be
   disregarded for all purposes, and will be of no force or
effect."
 
Jorge 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russ Housley [mailto:housleyvigilsec.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:54 AM
> To: ipr-wgietf.org
> Subject: Copyright, Privacy, Confidentiality Statements
on Submissions
> to the IETF
> 
> 
> I have been seeing more and more email postings that
have privacy or 
> confidentiality statements at the bottom.  I have not
seen copyright 
> on slides or email message.  Maybe that is happening
too.
> 
> The IEEE 802.1 opening materials included the following
statement:
> 
>     * Copyright statements or privacy/confidentiality
>       statements of any kind SHALL NOT APPEAR on
>       any contributions to 802, either in emails or in
>       presentation material
> 
> Does the IETF have a similar statement?  If it is in
our Note Well, 
> then it is in one of the references.
> 
> Russ
> 
> 
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As I recall, we adopted that formulation because some poor
souls
are hidden behind corporate mail systems that forcibly
attach
boilerplate, and we didn't want to prevent such victims
from
posting.

     Brian

On 2007-04-03 15:08, Contreras, Jorge wrote:
> Russ,
> 
> See Section 3.2 of RFC 3978, last sentence:
>  
> "Each Contributor agrees that any statement in a
Contribution, whether
>    generated automatically or otherwise, that states or
implies that the
>    Contribution is confidential or subject to any
privilege, can be
>    disregarded for all purposes, and will be of no
force or effect."
>  
> Jorge 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Russ Housley [mailto:housleyvigilsec.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:54 AM
>> To: ipr-wgietf.org
>> Subject: Copyright, Privacy, Confidentiality
Statements on Submissions
>> to the IETF
>>
>>
>> I have been seeing more and more email postings
that have privacy or 
>> confidentiality statements at the bottom.  I have
not seen copyright 
>> on slides or email message.  Maybe that is
happening too.
>>
>> The IEEE 802.1 opening materials included the
following statement:
>>
>>     * Copyright statements or
privacy/confidentiality
>>       statements of any kind SHALL NOT APPEAR on
>>       any contributions to 802, either in emails or
in
>>       presentation material
>>
>> Does the IETF have a similar statement?  If it is
in our Note Well, 
>> then it is in one of the references.
>>
>> Russ
>>
>>
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Jorge

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian E Carpenter" <brczurich.ibm.com>
To: "Contreras, Jorge" <Jorge.Contreraswilmerhale.com>
Cc: <ipr-wgietf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: Copyright, Privacy, Confidentiality Statements
on Submissions 
to the IETF


> As I recall, we adopted that formulation because some
poor souls
> are hidden behind corporate mail systems that forcibly
attach
> boilerplate, and we didn't want to prevent such victims
from
> posting.
>
>     Brian

Even when that boilerplate specifically says that the Email
Operator (the 
sponsor) retains all ownership in the mail and its content?
Seems to me that 
any formal email policy which is printed in the boilerplate
of the email 
trumps the Note-Well rules in the submissions process but
what the hell...



T.


>
> On 2007-04-03 15:08, Contreras, Jorge wrote:
>> Russ,
>>
>> See Section 3.2 of RFC 3978, last sentence:
>>  "Each Contributor agrees that any statement
in a Contribution, whether
>>    generated automatically or otherwise, that
states or implies that the
>>    Contribution is confidential or subject to any
privilege, can be
>>    disregarded for all purposes, and will be of no
force or effect."
>>  Jorge
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Russ Housley [mailto:housleyvigilsec.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:54 AM
>>> To: ipr-wgietf.org
>>> Subject: Copyright, Privacy, Confidentiality
Statements on Submissions
>>> to the IETF
>>>
>>>
>>> I have been seeing more and more email postings
that have privacy or 
>>> confidentiality statements at the bottom.  I
have not seen copyright on 
>>> slides or email message.  Maybe that is
happening too.
>>>
>>> The IEEE 802.1 opening materials included the
following statement:
>>>
>>>     * Copyright statements or
privacy/confidentiality
>>>       statements of any kind SHALL NOT APPEAR
on
>>>       any contributions to 802, either in
emails or in
>>>       presentation material
>>>
>>> Does the IETF have a similar statement?  If it
is in our Note Well, then 
>>> it is in one of the references.
>>>
>>> Russ
>>>
>>>
>>>
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